tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post445757361330722491..comments2024-03-28T23:07:35.632-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Another Cold, Snowy, and Icy Period Will Hit Portland AGAINCliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-65765820206281173152017-02-01T15:44:29.525-08:002017-02-01T15:44:29.525-08:00It appears that at least some of the saner heads i...It appears that at least some of the saner heads in Portland are finally getting the message: <br /><br />http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2017/02/portland_buys_100000_tons_of_s.html<br /><br />It's not much at all for an alleged "test" run, but at this point I'll take anything, given the nightmares the roads have become during this winter. Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-76273628093036129442017-01-31T20:10:37.375-08:002017-01-31T20:10:37.375-08:00Ted - thanks for injecting a little sanity. Peopl...Ted - thanks for injecting a little sanity. People are so uptight with their all-important "business". Suggestion: how about we slow it down, relax, and enjoy our passing days?John K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03575682658318674003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-29611285109675571922017-01-31T19:18:12.748-08:002017-01-31T19:18:12.748-08:00I don't feel sorry for Portland. I lived there...I don't feel sorry for Portland. I lived there a while. It's much more seasonal than the Sound. And that means much nicer summers too. It's a great city that like any city has its flaws and gems.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059221822159483655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-78351690117861027852017-01-31T16:32:05.477-08:002017-01-31T16:32:05.477-08:00We're finally getting a real winter in the NW....We're finally getting a real winter in the NW.<br /><br />http://mrcc.isws.illinois.edu/research/awssi/indexAwssi.jsp#infoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17561652752891733805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-26425501193947352432017-01-31T15:33:51.365-08:002017-01-31T15:33:51.365-08:00Vicki,
NaCl hardly qualifies as deadly poison. S...Vicki,<br /><br />NaCl hardly qualifies as deadly poison. Sea air deposits on the order of 1 gram per day of salt to the ground in seaside areas. While it's true that too much salt stunts trees and other plants, we couldn't live without salt.<br /><br />Or we could use potassium chloride on the roads, which is a (natural) fertilizer...Anselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835758313287462921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-22681526830832645532017-01-31T15:05:16.837-08:002017-01-31T15:05:16.837-08:00Bob says, "The City of Portland did test road...Bob says, "The City of Portland did test road salt vs the magnesium chloride they have been using and found it to be no better".<br /><br />It was NOT a "test" in any sense of the word as it applies to any legitimate measurement or comparison. I was a typical inept Portland ruse of no value but to invent a fallacious reason to keep pretending as though they are preventing vehicle, road, bridge and environmental damage.<br />If they were ever genuinely interested in learning the impact of the very infrequent use Portland would need officials need only look for said damage right across the river where salt has been used for decades in Clark County Washington.<br />But that would require honest public officials and this is Portland and Oregon.Sound Science Needs No Lieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01119596598479161612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-60000122296536983502017-01-31T14:30:11.176-08:002017-01-31T14:30:11.176-08:00I love the Portland article where they say salt wo...I love the Portland article where they say salt works the same as de-icer. The reality is that all the de-icers are chloride salts, but you can get them in sodium, magnesium and calcium varieties. The basic difference is that they work slightly differently at different temps. They all dump cations into the environment. They all lower the melting temperature of water. <br /><br />NaCl is best at temps near freeing, while MgCl is better at lower temps (like zero). Most of our road freezing occurs with temps in the high teens to high twenties which says NaCl. <br /><br />The discussions of the specific form of salt are a waste of time. The real issue is how and when its applied and how cold the road surface is at the tine of application. Most importantly, whether the city uses a prevention philosophy (very effective) or they use salt to help their equipment remove ice and packed snow later (not as effective). But its all salt. <br /><br />So why don't we shift the discussion to How and not What. Can't believe Portland didn't understand that, but then, Seattle didn't used to either. But if you go to the upper Midwest, every road department understands this stuff. Oregon is acting like its inventing something new. Johnamarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17737399978789523366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-71781395550990919982017-01-31T11:53:39.102-08:002017-01-31T11:53:39.102-08:00Relax folks, just hunker down and wait it out just...Relax folks, just hunker down and wait it out just like we have done for thousands of years. It won't hurt you a bit to sit still and watch it snow. Please Cliff keep your salt for the Sounders, were a fresh water port.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08149063959837436846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-26286505148389591102017-01-31T09:37:34.223-08:002017-01-31T09:37:34.223-08:00Bob...they used the snow WRONG. They put it on AF...Bob...they used the snow WRONG. They put it on AFTER it snowed. It is critical to put it on BEFORE it snows..cliffCliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-36798211376777291982017-01-31T08:39:16.157-08:002017-01-31T08:39:16.157-08:00FYI, The City of Portland did test road salt vs th...FYI, The City of Portland did test road salt vs the magnesium chloride they have been using and found it to be no better: http://www.oregonlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/01/portland_test_finds_road_salt.html<br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12403409992341030255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-73762155710164585482017-01-31T07:23:51.740-08:002017-01-31T07:23:51.740-08:00It could be worse - residents of Hood River must b...It could be worse - residents of Hood River must be exhausted. Stunning how much snow/ice they have had, and it's surprising that more damage has not occurred.JimR 'Longviewer'https://www.blogger.com/profile/06080132970316399941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-12249628480395209422017-01-31T07:17:24.927-08:002017-01-31T07:17:24.927-08:00Portland's mayor will probably get more votes ...Portland's mayor will probably get more votes in the next election for NOT using salt on the roads. NaCl, a deadly poison to all right-thinking (or is it left-thinking?) progressives.<br />OT, it looks like California's drought is about over.Doug Wisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576060392420115550noreply@blogger.com