tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post7173793706766475577..comments2024-03-28T23:07:35.632-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: A Revised Weather Improvement Act That Would Radically Improve U.S. Weather PredictionCliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-67401694985921617542013-07-18T09:10:17.760-07:002013-07-18T09:10:17.760-07:00You are close to the mark Cliff but need a couple ...You are close to the mark Cliff but need a couple corrections. First, reprogramming within OAR won't help NWS as others mentioned, so, unless an NWS or external program manager was in charge, the bill is a waste of time. Second, sending "60 to 70%" external would hammer OAR programs causing more runs on NWS programs and more competition between OAR and NWS. Better would be to direct NASA and NSF to increase weather research external funding.<br />I do think the bill has possibilities and would love to participate as an external manager if it could be fixed.Scott Sandgathehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09015069122151882242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-19818891719971254042013-07-16T06:42:38.211-07:002013-07-16T06:42:38.211-07:00Nice overview, Cliff, though I do not agree with e...Nice overview, Cliff, though I do not agree with everything, e.g., I side with Judith on external grants.<br /><br />The big elephant in the way of moving ahead is in the very first words of the current bill, "To prioritize and redirect NOAA resources to ...."<br /><br />In other words, no new base funding to support the intended goals - just pay Peter to pay Paul in resetting NOAA/NWS priorities in spending plans. Forget it given the ego and turf battles that will undermine any significant reallocation of resources.<br /><br />The interplay of NOAA/NWS with the academic and private sector ("weather enterprise") ideally would be one of complimentary give and take. In my opinion, however, the relationship has been largely one way: NOAA/NWS is expected to give while the community beyond takes.SteveThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14050078471063846123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-91242738371048914722013-07-16T01:19:15.299-07:002013-07-16T01:19:15.299-07:00The way to sell this to Democrats and "climat...The way to sell this to Democrats and "climatists" is to point out the relationship between climate change and severe weather, that better numerical weather modeling gives us a clearer picture about what the changed climate will look like on a day-to-day basis.Karl Bonnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10418986386619849310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-3649535126747064652013-07-15T22:57:50.132-07:002013-07-15T22:57:50.132-07:00Meanwhile, Seattle is on a great weather roll. Lov...Meanwhile, Seattle is on a great weather roll. Love it.Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07778022817763136336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-78455809426210859732013-07-15T18:41:05.027-07:002013-07-15T18:41:05.027-07:00It's not true that "dozens of folks died ...It's not true that "dozens of folks died during the El Reno tornado unnecessarily,because they decided to hit the roads when then tornado warning went out." One fatality was a man who chose not to stay in shelter because of claustrophobia, two were driving home from a doctor's appointment, and 5 chasers. In addition, there were 11 who left homes and sought shelter in drainage canals/tunnels miles from the tornado. Haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00860475039609420200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-92153626190300424672013-07-15T15:41:19.475-07:002013-07-15T15:41:19.475-07:00Have you seen Judy Curry's take on this?
http...Have you seen Judy Curry's take on this?<br /><br />http://judithcurry.com/2013/07/11/climate-vs-weather-prediction-should-we-rebalance/<br /><br />Anyway, I have to say if this is a bill that everyone is going to get behind, it is also going to have to be explicit about how the weather and climate communities work together. While I agree wholeheartedly that weather research within NOAA has taken a back seat to climate funding at NOAA, there is also going to have to be some thought given to how these two timescales can work together to better both. Integration is a smart word.<br /><br />Also, I will offer a slight rub on what you wrote here:<br /><br />"The funds should go to a new National Weather Research Program office in either the National Weather Service or NOAA, and the bill should be EXPLICIT that the bulk of the funds (say 60-70%) be directed to extramural funding outside of NOAA. I can not exaggerate the importance of this. Furthermore, at least 20% of the funds should go for forecast dissemination and communication research and development."<br /><br />Let's *make sure* that this doesn't just become another funding giveaway to academia who has their own ideas on how NWS/NOAA should do things and often can be JUST as dismissive (if not more) about the constraints and pressures that the government employees face. 24-7 doesn't have a lot of meaning to academia. And also the government is accountable to a lot of constituencies that academia never encounters. The point being is that scientists within NWS/NOAA often have their own ideas and priorities. Plus, because of diminished resources, the average met in the NWS/NOAA often doesn't have time to execute the research to operations, so they need soft money themselves in order to get the job done. So, I would encourage any increased soft weather funding be SPLIT among scientists within NOAA/NWS and outside of NOAA, working hand on hand on a joint project from the beginning. Otherwise, it becomes yet another replication of the tension between OAR and NWS. <br />Climate Weatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14830453646536543806noreply@blogger.com