tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post7741659403450608716..comments2024-03-18T22:50:29.792-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: The Mystery Tree Fall Near Lake Quinault: Why Did It Happen? Part I.Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-86960238552336595512018-06-27T16:28:58.741-07:002018-06-27T16:28:58.741-07:00
…[not wind] a pressure wave emanating from a kilo...<br />…[not wind] a pressure wave emanating from a kilonova that had occurred last year...<br /><br />...shockwaves have been impacting the magnetosphere in regular intervals...<br /><br />...geomagnetic storms, auroras, tectonic movement, earthquake swarms, eruptions, stronger jet streams,...and is just now, finally starting to dissipate...<br />...go to each date, study the geostorm and related activity- July14/16th, Aug17th, Sept11th [Mars], Oct25th, Jan27th, Feb26th, March14th, April10th, May5th, June1st, June25th,... each date is the passing of another shockwave, and is what has been causing so many strange events, also taking out flocks of birds and schools of fish..<br /><br /><br />...and appears that this will just be another shock dynamics events that may never find recognition?..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04049050058932922327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-23251326056454095272018-02-15T11:04:38.354-08:002018-02-15T11:04:38.354-08:00My guess- a localized flash tornado within the com...My guess- a localized flash tornado within the complimenting terrain topography,given the trees were broken and not uprooted as in a more common "blowdown event", of which I have experienced up close and personal while elk hunting on north Olympic peninsula in years past. A very scary event to be a participant....not to mention being quite the chore to extract from. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18078028251294789841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-85528988769171503832018-02-15T08:01:13.776-08:002018-02-15T08:01:13.776-08:00geoengineeringwatch.org. They'll have answers ...geoengineeringwatch.org. They'll have answers for you.Shawna Watsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11462717607674672587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-56843451299405852922018-02-13T22:55:53.375-08:002018-02-13T22:55:53.375-08:00So advanced radar shows no signs if microburst act...So advanced radar shows no signs if microburst activity. Although I love bigfoot those trees were massive and looks like it was done instantaneously like a sonic blast. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521821559136851889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-61333776800770444272018-02-13T09:07:32.605-08:002018-02-13T09:07:32.605-08:00In the 2007 windstorm I lost over 50 trees on the ...In the 2007 windstorm I lost over 50 trees on the Long Beach peninsula. The trees that fell were in a basket weave, so they were hazardous to cut, as they were spring loaded, due to the way they fell. Did these trees fall in a straight direction, or were they in a basket weave? Did they snap off, or did they fall with the root balls intact? jackiesheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15291216244005898057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-29091254506748597862018-02-11T22:50:16.361-08:002018-02-11T22:50:16.361-08:00ANY AERIAL RECONNAISSANCE? WOULD APPRECIATE ANY PO...ANY AERIAL RECONNAISSANCE? WOULD APPRECIATE ANY POINTERS THAT WAY. caps oops ;)<br />daelvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06550874232745641716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-77438375288483196632018-02-11T20:09:39.412-08:002018-02-11T20:09:39.412-08:00I noticed the twist right away...I agreeI noticed the twist right away...I agreeChristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13822218001782594661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-41693318499364973212018-02-11T20:06:28.899-08:002018-02-11T20:06:28.899-08:00Trolls. They are bigger and don't care much ab...Trolls. They are bigger and don't care much about breaking trees. But I thought they were only in Sweden...<br />Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13822218001782594661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-60257047955606527402018-02-11T11:22:07.018-08:002018-02-11T11:22:07.018-08:00It was not a microburst. I can tell you that. Al...It was not a microburst. I can tell you that. Also the last person to tell you the truth is a meteorologist. The trees were snapped at the strongest part of the tree. Not the roots. It was something else that brought these trees down. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12004292456921398887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-59042968684535244652018-02-11T08:24:58.992-08:002018-02-11T08:24:58.992-08:00Mulder and Scully should look into this. Extraterr...Mulder and Scully should look into this. Extraterrestrial involvement is my guess :)Shannonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10971110210583216820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-21101555303975790572018-02-11T08:15:23.256-08:002018-02-11T08:15:23.256-08:00Downslope windstorm in the lee of the Olympic peni...Downslope windstorm in the lee of the Olympic peninsula mountains, i.e., the mountain ridge to the north/northwest of the tree fall area. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720709889438307667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-56743821494949860352018-02-11T07:42:52.579-08:002018-02-11T07:42:52.579-08:00Secureteam10 picked up the story
https://youtu.be/...Secureteam10 picked up the story<br />https://youtu.be/zxiQ8UREnyIAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785812212718844039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-13833878320816772472018-02-11T02:45:02.766-08:002018-02-11T02:45:02.766-08:00A Williwaw is as good a guess as any. They normall...A Williwaw is as good a guess as any. They normally involve mountains and large bodies of water When wind comes over the mountain it shoots downward and gains intensity and speed resulting in violent downward gusts. I've been in several williwaws while commercial fishing in Alaska. One minute you are in sustained winds of 50-60 kts and the next thing a gust of 100 kts hits you and lays the boat over on it's side. Not a fun phenomenon to be caught in. I think Williwas happen in the Quinault valley fairly often in the grand scheme of things. Besides the Dec 2007 large event, back in the late 70s, maybe 78?, there was another occurrence that happened the second day of elk season that year. Our party had downed a couple elk the first day of elk season and we spent the second day packing them out in a huge storm. The group I was with were retrieving an elk from upper Falls creek near the lodge. We started hearing loud explosion like sounds and assumed it was thunder until we started seeing large old growth trees coming down. The sound was these trees snapping off. We got that elk quartered and got out of there as fast as possible. The same storm flattened a few acres of old growth on a nob across Fletcher Creek from the first big switchback in the trail.twoduxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322653336816817543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-25319718965256172572018-02-10T22:26:42.564-08:002018-02-10T22:26:42.564-08:00Earthquake or seismic related gets my vote. I thin...Earthquake or seismic related gets my vote. I think some kind of wave caused them to twist. If you look there were 16 recent quakes in the NW of Wa. See what's close and I know they don't show little bits. I saw a note about some activity near a lake so that might be the cause when combined with the winds was enough to twist or topple he woods. Let me know what you figure out.<br /><br />KatAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12446785726440134760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-87898326954912692782018-02-09T09:07:43.575-08:002018-02-09T09:07:43.575-08:00Have they flown a drone over the area? I’m thinki...Have they flown a drone over the area? I’m thinking explosion or meteor impact. Extremists practicing with explosives?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16244654180544527079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-35433623976027886932018-02-08T09:39:58.463-08:002018-02-08T09:39:58.463-08:00In point A, "west of the lake" should be...In point A, "west of the lake" should be "east of the lake". My apologies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466923806743608599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-58767488467439212642018-02-08T09:04:36.095-08:002018-02-08T09:04:36.095-08:00Perhaps a combination of extreme pressure differen...Perhaps a combination of extreme pressure differences and an unusual temperature difference combined at the right time and place. Looking at the map it does appear as though there is a valley at that location that could have greatly increased the speed of the wind. We've lived in the forest for 42 years. Have seen trees blow down and snapped off. Nothing as big as an old growth tree though. Wind can do very strange things. Trees that look solid blow down, those that look like they will don't. We've had some winds here that come in powerful quick blasts when nothing is forecast. Terrifying. Like they have a life of their own and deliberate in purpose. Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952600930551974753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-81095710970122491372018-02-08T07:41:23.026-08:002018-02-08T07:41:23.026-08:00Here's an image that describes the best explan...Here's an image that describes the best explanation I could come up with. I don't know if it's OK to embed images? But here's a link ...<br /><br />http://johnbeezer.com/images/quinault-theory.png<br /><br />Two things to imagine ...<br /><br />1. This seems like a situation where katabatic flow could occur ... cold air in the glacier fields above the lake can flow down the valley under the right conditions. So, imagine that there is a continuous flow of cold air down the valley, but under normal conditions there are no extreme events, just a constant flow of cold air down the valley.<br /><br />2. Then imagine a leaf floating in the air and never quite falling to the ground. And it happens to be floating above the eastern end of Lake Quinault at about 1:30 in the morning. As a small compact low pressure center comes through, imagine the path that leaf might take as the shifting winds carry it in all directions over a short period of time. The path will form a tight loop.<br /><br />So the graphic illustrates the constant flow of cold air down the valley with the blue lines and the path of the shifting winds is represented by the red lines.<br /><br />The letters A, B, C & D indicate different conditions that ultimately contributed to the wind event.<br /><br />A. Winds from the west flow directly up the valley and start pushing the normal flow of cold air in the reverse direction and back up the valley. A dense backed-up mass of cold air starts to form west of the lake and up the valley.<br /><br />B. The wind stops flowing directly up the valley, and this allows the large blob of cold air to begin moving back down the valley. It's a little like a flash flood that's been dammed up and is now breaking free. And since the winds are now coming from the south, the cold blob of air is pushed to the north side of the valley as it begins its descent.<br /><br />C. As the cold blob starts down the valley and picks up speed, the wind continues shifting to the east. Now, instead of holding up the blob, it's actually pushing the blob down the hill. And the terrain here is such that the blob gets pushed into a spiral-shaped valley to the north of the lake. As the blob gets pushed up the small side valley, it curves around to the south. And as the valley steers the cold blob of air southward, the wind also shifts southward. So at this point, there is a small dense blob of cold air that is being pushed by the winds all the way through (and up) the small valley north of the lake. It's barelling along at considerable speed now because gravity, wind and terrain have all been working together to accelerate it.<br /><br />D. Finally, the dense, cold blob reaches the top of the small spiral valley and launches southward off the top end of it, almost like going off a ski jump. It is now suspended in air, above the ridgeline and catching a strong northerly wind, that will push it swiftly to the south. This heavy blob of air, now being pushed swiftly in a southerly direction, comes crashing down from a higher altitude onto the north shore of the lake, resulting in the very intense, yet highly localized zone of destruction.<br /><br />I have no idea if this is actually realistic, but it seems plausible?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466923806743608599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-37066769271730122762018-02-07T14:20:24.165-08:002018-02-07T14:20:24.165-08:00Well, here is the bigger, and more importantly, me...Well, here is the bigger, and more importantly, metaphysical and philosophical question. Because the trees fell in a forest, and no one was there to see or hear them, did they make a sound?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17594144010692567361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-30696735528800561402018-02-07T14:03:15.313-08:002018-02-07T14:03:15.313-08:00There are stumps on both sides of the NS road all ...There are stumps on both sides of the NS road all the way from Highway 101 to the QR bridge. One factor to keep in mind is that logging was really high-grading, "keep the best, leave the rest", and 10" - 20" trees may have been too small and were left. So some of the down trees might have been leftovers. The point of discriminating from 'old growth' is that OG hemlock is often rotten in the core, and would play a role in the forces that lead to its failure during an event. 80-100 YO hemlock/spruce/fir are robust, sound trees. It would be perhaps more informative to know what happened to any of the spruce in the area, which have a much different failure "signature" in wind (the rarely snap, but rather uproot entirely).Roscoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12589867683992149984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-3372531988850407302018-02-07T12:01:33.791-08:002018-02-07T12:01:33.791-08:00Replying to Roscoe,
"The entire NS was logged...Replying to Roscoe,<br />"The entire NS was logged before ONP was designated."<br />I was always told that the area just around the July Creek Campground was not logged, it was the only old growth left along the NS. As recently as the 1990's the stand stood out from the younger trees around it. Not as obvious now.<br />I wonder if this difference contributed to the blowdown. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13753740995211690997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-81616294121925143782018-02-07T07:26:52.466-08:002018-02-07T07:26:52.466-08:00Here is my story of a micro burst event:
I was un...Here is my story of a micro burst event:<br /><br />I was under a pop-up tent teaching water quality to 5th graders in the Mercer Slough park at the Bellevue Natural Resources week, May 2005. It was a sunny warm day, clear sky. My talk was going well, at least I thought, when I felt a little breeze. My papers started to blow a little. Then Pop! The 10' x 10' tent was launched 70 feet into the air. We were all frozen as we watched the tent get launched into the sky, seeming to float there. It moved 20 feet horizontal before it came crashing down behind me. When we snapped out of our trance, we realized my papers where flying everywhere. We jumped into action picking them up. Only when we saw the tent crumpled nearby did we realize how close we were to being smashed by the tent weapon. The next year all the tents had large weights attached.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367249474214568396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-5016003890203336692018-02-07T06:02:10.868-08:002018-02-07T06:02:10.868-08:00METARS just AFTER the event:
This shows a warm fro...METARS just AFTER the event:<br />This shows a warm frontal passage just after the event for KHQM.<br />Possible that it was terrain enhanced winds (The Valley lies inline with the NE winds at the time) Possibly convectively initiated.<br />METAR KHQM 271153Z AUTO 16016G21KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR BKN006<br /> OVC010 08/07 A2976 RMK AO2 WSHFT 1139 SLP082 P0006<br /> 60042 70069 T00780072 10078 20044 56023=<br />METAR KHQM 270953Z AUTO 05012G20KT 3SM -RA BR OVC016 04/04<br /> A2980 RMK AO2 SLP096 P0004 T00440039=<br /><br /><br />KSHN had a rapid wind shift to the SW a few hours later showing that the warm front was followed by a cold frontal passage. <br /><br />KUIL had classic signs of Warm front then cold Front passage. <br /><br />I only had a few minutes to look at this event, it will be interesting to see what else you come up with!<br /><br /><br />Michael Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06230219537755848399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-35395517721477432792018-02-06T23:02:45.906-08:002018-02-06T23:02:45.906-08:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&...https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=42&v=2H8Y5ptn9CsColinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13072623581217312713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-13381447643599335792018-02-06T22:51:29.856-08:002018-02-06T22:51:29.856-08:00I'm thinking it was a williwaw. Cold dense air...I'm thinking it was a williwaw. Cold dense air in the mountains and hills to the north descended down the slope towards an approaching warm front perhaps with lower surface pressure. Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13072623581217312713noreply@blogger.com