tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post1925628076790185669..comments2024-03-28T23:07:35.632-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: One of the Greatest West Coast Atmospheric Rivers on RecordCliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-59015029277634231382018-04-09T13:03:10.001-07:002018-04-09T13:03:10.001-07:00I put "progressives" and "environme...I put "progressives" and "environmentalists" in quotes because, in my opinion, they are phonies and liars. They can't tell the truth about anything, not even something as simple as a New York Times article about California's "unending drought."<br /><br />And then you wonder why most people pay nothing but lip service, except for the voters of Seattle, who are complete suckers.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-43193020706301803002018-04-07T21:52:15.570-07:002018-04-07T21:52:15.570-07:00Misquoted - "progressives", and "en...Misquoted - "progressives", and "environmentalists"Chris Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12385544614041904457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-43132372050604657372018-04-07T21:44:26.395-07:002018-04-07T21:44:26.395-07:00Placeholder do you feel that we have no effect on ...Placeholder do you feel that we have no effect on the environment? Or that the environment has no effect on the weather? both? <br /><br />I don't understand why you call out "environmentalists" or "progressives" as if they're acting with no reason. Is it not ok to be concerned and "progressive" towards a goal to protect the environment? I assume you feel they are just acting concerned, and really just trying to grab some cash? Which clearly many do. This doesn't make the problems (uncontrolled - pollution, mining, agriculture) any less real.<br /><br />I only see a few groups here.. <br /> people concerned with the effects of human activity and trying to change things with very little resources.<br /> People with too much to loose if the environment was to be protected.<br /> People who think everything is fine <br /> People who do not care.<br /><br />It seems to me that anyone could easily see that we are headed in a bad direction. I don't understand your opposition. <br /><br />I may have misread your post? just seems that you are very upset with these "progressive environmentalists".Chris Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12385544614041904457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-72664896021057384282018-04-07T21:06:23.293-07:002018-04-07T21:06:23.293-07:00Thats the headline Place Slipper. I think by n...Thats the headline Place Slipper. I think by now we all should know that most of the issues discussed here require reading beyond the headlines, which is why I said "Article", not "headline".<br /><br />The closest the article comes to corroborating your headline generated judgement is with Governor Brown's quote:<br /><br />"“But now we know that drought is becoming a regular occurrence and water conservation must be a part of our everyday life.”<br /><br /> Note two things which generally summarize the bulk of the article <br /><br />1) "But now we know that drought is becoming a regular occurrence". About as true a statement as any forecast can be. Drought is expected to become regular ( not permanent, regular)<br /><br />2) "water conservation must be a part of our everyday life". Suggesting the potential for permanent water restrictions, due not just to drought but very many things.<br /><br /><br />The article is not at all about "permanent droughts".<br /><br />I repeat: As exquisitely triggerable as your dopamine receptors are to mere headlines, only Trump fails to read deeper so I suggest you not follow his lead lest we spiral as he does down rabbit holes of delusion.Bruce Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070247298371179095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-17624043063569628082018-04-07T15:40:20.287-07:002018-04-07T15:40:20.287-07:00By the way, California has a cyclical drought-dren...By the way, California has a cyclical drought-drench climate. This has not changed. The recent drought was severe, just as a bunch of others have been since detailed records began to be kept. Their droughts are followed by drench cycles, which the state is now in.<br /><br />This is why CA built its extensive water system. In recent years, the pseudo-"environmentalists" who run the state have let that system deteriorate, and have adamantly refused to even maintain it adequately much less expand it to accommodate the state's growing population.<br /><br />It's all part of a global warming cult whose scientific basis never existed, and whose "proof" statements are vanishing as the models are re-examined and found to be based on statistical and observational errors. Being "progressives," they cannot admit their errors, and instead double down on specious claims, while becoming angrier and angrier with those who point out that their emporers and priests have no clothes.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-86764246658503659852018-04-07T15:23:33.573-07:002018-04-07T15:23:33.573-07:00Ah, Bruce Kay. It takes a special kind to argue th...Ah, Bruce Kay. It takes a special kind to argue that an article headlined, "California Braces for Unending Drought" isn't about an unending drought in California. <br /><br />Bruce, if you haven't yet run for office in Seattle, I suggest that you do so. You will fit right in.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-52609568471133862902018-04-07T14:06:26.031-07:002018-04-07T14:06:26.031-07:00John - that topic has been endlessly discussed her...John - that topic has been endlessly discussed here, please refer to prior posts on the subject during the CA drought a few years back. CA is, and has always been, subject to extreme droughts throughout it's geological history. Why you feel the need to post yet another study I have no idea. Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-50655630465190443732018-04-07T09:05:12.718-07:002018-04-07T09:05:12.718-07:00JoannaB, snowso12, Eric Blair
Instead of demeanin...JoannaB, snowso12, Eric Blair<br /><br />Instead of demeaning each other on Cliff's site, in addition to Cliff's obvious contributions to the discussion of drought, why not just post what those likely to know about drought in California say about drought in California?<br /><br />https://www.water.ca.gov/LegacyFiles/waterconditions/docs/California_Signficant_Droughts_2015_small.pdfJohn McBridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09503331313775640577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-16118324764243303222018-04-07T08:22:01.951-07:002018-04-07T08:22:01.951-07:00Just to be perfectly clear, the NYT article cited...Just to be perfectly clear, the NYT article cited by Placeslipper is about the potential for "permanent water restrictions" which not surprisingly has transmogrified magically in this thread of discussion into "permanent drought".<br /><br /> Which no matter how deep you mine, is only a term perpetuated by fringe alarmists, not the majority of mainstream media.<br /><br />Now back to tossing horshoesBruce Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070247298371179095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-78142226109461729842018-04-06T21:56:58.987-07:002018-04-06T21:56:58.987-07:00Why is it the NWS puts up a special weather statem...Why is it the NWS puts up a special weather statement a couple days ago for a potential wind situation on Saturday...then pulls it today without explanation. They do this all the time. You are left wondering if another post is coming or if the forecast has changed. They do this all the time. It would be nice to see a statement that explains “the low is taking a different track and this is what to expect”. Just a thought about communication.dardevlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17309095463813759157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-43046572513221897382018-04-06T14:51:14.551-07:002018-04-06T14:51:14.551-07:00I think Joanna may want to spend a little more tim...I think Joanna may want to spend a little more time reading Cliff's posts on the subject before casting aspersions.Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-8548286336534904912018-04-06T12:50:39.063-07:002018-04-06T12:50:39.063-07:00How about instead, Joanna B, we talk about how the...How about instead, Joanna B, we talk about how the media can hurt science and damage their own credibility along the way.<br /><br />This isn't a "surprise 'pop-up' storm". These have been going on in California long before we got there. So has drought. It is, in fact, their climate. No amount of revisionist history is going to change that. <br /><br />The fact - that is quantitative, verifiable fact - is that the last 2 years have objectively negated the "California permanent drought" theme. 6 inches of precip in the Sierras from this storm alone... overflowing reservoirs... multiple posts right here by Cliff saying it is over...<br /><br />That article -and the thousands of others like it - hurt science. The concern here should not be directed at the person posting it; it should be directed at the publication that printed it. It needs to stop.sunsnow12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16856025812008113046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-10852678312821923172018-04-06T12:11:24.591-07:002018-04-06T12:11:24.591-07:00I'm late to the conversation, but having looke...I'm late to the conversation, but having looked at the latest satellite images, and having read the forecast discussion, it's seeming less likely that the deep low will approach us enough in the right location to cause significant wind, assuming no changes to the forecast.John McBridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09503331313775640577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-46134947407640834652018-04-06T09:41:19.737-07:002018-04-06T09:41:19.737-07:00Ah, thanks for the clarification Cliff. Now if CA ...Ah, thanks for the clarification Cliff. Now if CA would divert some of that water to settling ponds to recharge the aquifers like they do in Arizona (good Sci Am article on this) they might have a shot at getting things back to normal.Weather Devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07071334949599205140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-82227214594660920012018-04-06T09:41:12.084-07:002018-04-06T09:41:12.084-07:00I think Placeholder needs to learn a bit more abou...I think Placeholder needs to learn a bit more about what climate instability means, and that weather is neither binary nor zero sum. Unfortunately in my area we've learned that being in a drought doesn't negate surprise 'pop-up' storms which wreak havoc but don't alleviate the underlying drought conditions. Joanna Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11480011652053796323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-40621176099608444342018-04-05T22:15:02.524-07:002018-04-05T22:15:02.524-07:00You want a good April rain storm, April 4, 1991: 2...You want a good April rain storm, April 4, 1991: 2.5 - 4 inches in 24 hours in the Seattle area.D.Funkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00755960437942628889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-25611976385216884232018-04-05T20:26:17.687-07:002018-04-05T20:26:17.687-07:00But ... but ... wait! California is in a permanent...But ... but ... wait! California is in a permanent drought. The New York Times said so, and therefore it must be true! Now: How long will it be until All The Usual Suspects blame this on global warming and tell us that California will face permanent flooding?<br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/us/california-drought-water-restrictions-permanent.html?_r=0Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-9330183922908218472018-04-05T18:27:48.161-07:002018-04-05T18:27:48.161-07:00This is all fine and dandy, but when are we going ...This is all fine and dandy, but when are we going to finally warmer (and dry) up? 😆Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17412714487542795844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-91808877705832395582018-04-05T17:05:30.636-07:002018-04-05T17:05:30.636-07:00We had another unusual storm last April...but thos...We had another unusual storm last April...but those are nothing compared to the atmospheric river...Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-42654881701734861462018-04-05T15:34:36.643-07:002018-04-05T15:34:36.643-07:00Didn't we have a similar, off the charts, stor...Didn't we have a similar, off the charts, storm last year. Not to mention numerous unprecedented weather events the last few years?Weather Devoteehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07071334949599205140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-19133580938694290082018-04-05T15:33:58.392-07:002018-04-05T15:33:58.392-07:00Cliff I wouldn’t be surprised if there were severa...Cliff I wouldn’t be surprised if there were several reports of funnel clouds, waterspouts, or weak tornados this weekend. While this isn’t a severe weather setup, just the amount of moisture, instability, and wind shear. And given we’re getting a little later in the spring, it could happen.<br /><br />And the oragraphic enhancement of precipitation into our Casacdes behind the front looks impressive. Feet of snow above that 850mb line. Finally looking for a solid bet of precipitation here on the leeward side of the Cascades with impressive upslope 850mb winds prior to the front. Hoping for .5 inches Friday night. Our excitement standards are a lot lower over here lol.Buddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13773392812050013355noreply@blogger.com