tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post4138005709880729670..comments2024-03-18T21:11:43.266-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Wildfire Smoke Brought Radioactivity and OzoneCliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-15186701891593324372017-08-27T12:27:28.932-07:002017-08-27T12:27:28.932-07:00Hi Cliff. Great blog you got.
If you haven't...Hi Cliff. Great blog you got.<br /><br />If you haven't noticed yet: the smoke cleared, Ozone returned back to normal, yet radioactivity didn't. The logical conclusion is that while the smoke may have contributed, something else entirely is causing the bulk of the radioactivity uptick. <br /><br />My related blogposts were:<br /><br />https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/us-air-force-dispatched-to-monitor-radioactive-cloud-over-seattle/<br /><br />https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/fallout-conditions-already-akin-to-distant-nuclear-war-us-epa-radnet-4-months-various/<br /><br />https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/08/12/quick-look-at-wind-over-pacific-f1-seattle/<br /><br />https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2017/08/19/couple-eurdeps-belgium-3x3-addition-made-to-recent-seattle-blogpost/<br /><br />Looked at how it DIDN'T return to "normal"? <br />https://www.epa.gov/radnet/radnet-air-data-seattle-wa<br /><br />I don't know what's going on, but I suspect there was more to the radiation shift.<br /><br />Kind Regards,<br /><br />Michaël VBMVBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00252542202411873062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-47139670367455735552017-08-18T15:26:28.117-07:002017-08-18T15:26:28.117-07:00I grew up in the 1960s and '70s, and remember ...I grew up in the 1960s and '70s, and remember it very well. Lots of "New Ice Age" stories in the press, citing esteemed authorities. The Worldwide Church of Global Warming denies that these stories ever appeared, but -- as usual -- they lie.<br /><br />https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-68278947061057833932017-08-18T03:58:46.725-07:002017-08-18T03:58:46.725-07:00Do any of you remember the media spouting 'glo...Do any of you remember the media spouting 'global cooling' concerns in the 70s? Do your homework people.Qwertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00429690391444840673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-87297342721275124082017-08-15T13:17:34.854-07:002017-08-15T13:17:34.854-07:00Organic Farmer - I personally agree, but not becau...Organic Farmer - I personally agree, but not because of GW. The last real plague (i.e Pandemic) that hit the earth was near the turn of the last century, and we never found a cure for it, it burned itself out after millions of horrible and gruesome deaths. We've forestalled others from doing the same kind of damage, but sooner or later one is going to come that will be unlike the others. The earth will be rid of our species soon enough - either we begin efforts to colonize other planets or our kind will be no longer. Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-39442984727260482212017-08-14T17:53:31.734-07:002017-08-14T17:53:31.734-07:00Radioactivity is common in all smoke. Wood contai...Radioactivity is common in all smoke. Wood contains several minerals that have naturally occurring radioactive isotopes. As far as man-made fallout, coal smoke from China dwarfs anything that may have come from Fukushima. Yes, coal emissions have released more radioactive pollution globally than what has been produced by reactor accidents - by a long shot.<br /><br />Here's some good info: http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/radiation-and-health/naturally-occurring-radioactive-materials-norm.aspxVBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348006465443150744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-2718722179742180982017-08-14T16:44:33.948-07:002017-08-14T16:44:33.948-07:00Might as well add those miniscule but very very sc...Might as well add those miniscule but very very scientifically interesting radiation to the cult fanatics that saw too many Godzilla movies.<br /><br />Seriously, just fly from Seattle to New York, better yet live in Denver if you want to accure some Rads.. <br /><br />Very interesting data though. Impressive ozone numbers. Fascinating on the bump in radiation.. (ohh nooo it must be North Korea...)lol<br /><br />Personally, I think we are doomed. So few actually comprehend Cliff's climate change message. It appears we are just going to freak out on both extream sides of the "debate". Lemmings our species is.:(Organic Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694548750704036717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-18060724132121479082017-08-14T15:32:38.069-07:002017-08-14T15:32:38.069-07:00It's always fun to see the Worldwide Cult of G...It's always fun to see the Worldwide Cult of Global Warming chime in on a topic that has no bearing on the subject. These days, the cult points to every single non-average weather event to flog their religion. So much for their old "weather isn't climate" mantra. It was never serious back then, and they are not serious now. Only desperate.Placeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967627809480888708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-72205575242585044732017-08-14T15:04:51.120-07:002017-08-14T15:04:51.120-07:00John, for the umpteenth time, if you care to under...John, for the umpteenth time, if you care to understand the blog host's thoughts on this subject, you can easily peruse his many past postings regrading climate change and it's effects on the PNW. Why folks continually come on here and wish to revisit past issues that have been beaten to death elsewhere, one can only speculate. Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-74107654336183908722017-08-14T14:00:45.225-07:002017-08-14T14:00:45.225-07:00Hi Cliff,
I'd be interested in your thoughts ...Hi Cliff,<br /><br />I'd be interested in your thoughts on James Hohmann's column in today's WA Post, entitled:<br />"Evidence of climate change abounds amid extreme weather in the Pacific Northwest".<br /><br />The article includes this paragraph (quoting the latest US Gov't climate report):<br />"In Washington State, Oregon and Idaho specifically, the government report says that the average annual temperature has already gone up 1.51 degrees since 1901-1960 and is projected to rise another 4.67 degrees by midcentury and 8.51 degrees by the end of the century if carbon pollution continues unabated."<br /><br />I find an increase of 4.67 degrees by midcentury to be pretty alarming. You can locate his article at this link:<br />https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/08/14/daily-202-evidence-of-climate-change-abounds-amid-extreme-weather-in-the-pacific-northwest/59910b8e30fb0462b8e1a9c4/?<br /><br />Many thanks for your very informative climate blog posts, <br />John John Reinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01068251053510171095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-83495942775501004692017-08-14T13:53:06.441-07:002017-08-14T13:53:06.441-07:00Are any of the fires downwind from Hanford and PNN...Are any of the fires downwind from Hanford and PNNL? http://radiochemscieng.pnnl.gov/badmomgoodmomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11569728075698885020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-48504024267401403392017-08-14T10:48:10.698-07:002017-08-14T10:48:10.698-07:00Oh now you tell me.
I continued to ride my bike, ...Oh now you tell me.<br /><br />I continued to ride my bike, thinking smoke, no big deal. But radioactivity? That may have altered my thinking.<br /><br />Oh well, gotta die of something.jno62https://www.blogger.com/profile/07471604978940553463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-61894585794562726312017-08-14T10:39:27.961-07:002017-08-14T10:39:27.961-07:00I have just returned from the Tetons, where I spen...I have just returned from the Tetons, where I spent the last week hiking and climbing. It was smoky the whole way there (I drove through southern Idaho) and the majority of the time I was there, with the exception of Thursday. It was especially bad most of the way back through Montana, until I got West of Spokane yesterday, after the rain.<br /><br />This is without a doubt the worst smoke event I have ever experienced. Perhaps not the most concentrated smoke, but by far the most widespread. I heard that it got nearly to the East coast.<br /><br />I'll have to check for radioactivity under the downspouts with my Geiger counter.<br /><br />Anselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835758313287462921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-42944344544945096052017-08-14T08:41:34.590-07:002017-08-14T08:41:34.590-07:00Not entirely true Unknown. There are many, many e...Not entirely true Unknown. There are many, many efforts to compile statistical data on matters of the spirit, this being only one:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report<br /><br /><br />You will note by the graphic that in relative terms, North Americans are actually pretty damn happy (as good a measure of spirit as any), even as they convince themselves they are not. However we would be wise to pay attention to the observations of Nobel prize winning Daniel Kahneman, who more recently turned his cognitive psychology skills toward the study of human happiness. He notes 2 simple things:<br /><br />Money does indeed buy people happiness. However more money will not buy you more happiness.<br /><br />curiously, he doesn't mention ozone or radioactivity much.Bruce Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11070247298371179095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-72634414104520354592017-08-14T07:54:00.406-07:002017-08-14T07:54:00.406-07:00Your colleagues collect all this data to help gaug...Your colleagues collect all this data to help gauge outlook but no one is gauging spiritual data. As Jesus said "you say the sky is red and lowering and you predict a change in weather yet you don't know the time and season"<br />The season for Israel was coming to a halt. The Romans invaded 70 years later and Jesus saw that storm coming. <br /> One can be so discerning of physical elements and make predictions yet spiritual signs get ignored <br /> Oh if your calling was not limited to making relatively mundane predictions about weather and one could bring a real outlook to aid the people. Sure it's good to have your services and they benefit truly. But there is a higher gospel calling. <br /> of gauging times and seasons Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05768003793767265278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-75202932261414024242017-08-14T07:35:15.676-07:002017-08-14T07:35:15.676-07:00Why do the ozone levels fluctuate so dramatically?...Why do the ozone levels fluctuate so dramatically? If they were largely due to the smoke, I'd think they would be more constant.Michael Riordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03135613300005502938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-57421442480939088422017-08-14T07:08:31.454-07:002017-08-14T07:08:31.454-07:00I noticed environment Canada had high UV rating 9 ...I noticed environment Canada had high UV rating 9 for Victoria BC during this outflow smoke event...!auriclesgreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17037373153689132477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-41268842561883261722017-08-14T03:52:39.825-07:002017-08-14T03:52:39.825-07:00Before we jump to the conclusion that the radioact...Before we jump to the conclusion that the radioactivity was manmade, consider that plants require potassium to survive, and K-40 is the greatest natural exposure to radiation for most plants and the animals that eat them. Potassium is largely absent from the air away from the sea, except when cellular salts becomes aerosolized in a huge wildfire.<br /><br />Another natural source would be soil radium. Radium is a Group 2 element under calcium, which means that plant tissues will take it up just as they will also take up strontium and barium.<br /><br />Only once these two natural sources have been accounted for should we start investigating manmade isotopes like Sr-90 and Cs-137.herrbrahmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08308204686231352936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-63711914060380646692017-08-14T03:36:47.409-07:002017-08-14T03:36:47.409-07:00Interesting as physics, but is it more than a curi...Interesting as physics, but is it more than a curiosity to the public? Anyone guesstimate a millirem dose to a person in the area?<br /><br />Let me try and see if it provokes a physicist to do a better job! In the U.S. roughly 3/4 of our 300 rem background dose is from radon. That's alpha emission, so all gamma is something under 75 rem as a ceiling.<br /><br />From the plot, these gamma counts went up to about 1.3×, which at the max would be +23 on the 75 rem. Except that would be if it continued for the whole year. For two weeks it's about 1/25 of that, call it +1 rem. About half a chest X-ray.Elihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05711511939799573430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-1017114119957298592017-08-14T00:35:24.660-07:002017-08-14T00:35:24.660-07:00Another interesting and well-documented phenomenon...Another interesting and well-documented phenomenon is that the ambient radioactivity increases when it rains. This is because the rain droplets adsorb some of the radioactive byproducts from Radon gas decay, and deposits them on the ground. The correlation is actually so strong that you can use the radioactivity as a fairly accurate measure of precipitation rate.<br /><br />Both this and the smoke-brought radioactivity is basically harmless, of course. It's a very small increase over natural background rates.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02731432109561215419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-60799194830540560552017-08-14T00:29:43.738-07:002017-08-14T00:29:43.738-07:00I believe residents of Denver are exposed to twice...I believe residents of Denver are exposed to twice the amount of ionizing radiation as we are due to elevation; that's on an ongoing basis. Hard to imagine this is a drop in the bucket compared to that. Still, it's interesting. I'm curious about the cause as well. It seems like Chernobyl would be a stronger candidate as a man-made source than Fukushima (as much more was released into the air); still relatively recent but more time for plants to absorb it.jayemarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00519997332004067070noreply@blogger.com