tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post5557847986250782819..comments2024-03-28T03:08:44.068-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Will the Pacific Northwest be a Climate Refuge Under Global Warming?Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-81204599980044581842018-10-14T09:48:06.280-07:002018-10-14T09:48:06.280-07:00https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.theatlant...https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/washington-state-carbon-tax/567523/&source=gmail&ust=1539621041956000&usg=AFQjCNEexcGUWKA9PX_ryNazMHSMyntjYwLorettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06666531023755034626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-6637625295718468752018-08-24T00:12:26.332-07:002018-08-24T00:12:26.332-07:00I wonder if opinions have changed since these fire...I wonder if opinions have changed since these fires... second-worst air in the world after MUMBAI on Monday in Seattle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08726575507399053949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-24902258609608958952016-11-21T23:12:06.201-08:002016-11-21T23:12:06.201-08:00Does anyone have an opinion as to whether Olympia,...Does anyone have an opinion as to whether Olympia, Washington or Tigard, OR are best in regards to escaping global warming in the future? And if one city might be better than the other with providing sustainable living and having enough water?<br />Kripphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085389263798316692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-32842166060930505202016-05-25T15:49:47.424-07:002016-05-25T15:49:47.424-07:00I also think a factor of warmer air/ocean temps in...I also think a factor of warmer air/ocean temps in the future may mitigate the warming as more evaporation of ocean waters will lead to more clouds.iphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337836157323303376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-68880745823456220582016-05-12T00:15:13.882-07:002016-05-12T00:15:13.882-07:00As for me, this problem is the main problem of the...As for me, this problem is the main problem of the 21st century, and certain actions must be taken! Just see and read the following post available at <a href="http://bigessaywriter.com/blog/climate-changing-or-main-problem-of-the-21st-century" rel="nofollow">http://bigessaywriter.com/blog/climate-changing-or-main-problem-of-the-21st-century</a>! Globally serious issues must be solved out! <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11326184512615564882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-25123433827995016032015-11-20T12:26:49.763-08:002015-11-20T12:26:49.763-08:00Along with the reparation of damages, and the loss...Along with the reparation of damages, and the loss of prime real estate, there are major economic (coastal and global) effects that will result from this increase in ocean levels.<br />Examples of this will include seafood market suffering, population surplus, increased travel distance between continents (for boats) (which leads to more gas being needed and more risk of spillage) and a whole load of other things. http://apps.swsd.k12.pa.us/wordpress/jesssillyandclimatechange/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-36296947707586762262015-04-28T14:37:31.559-07:002015-04-28T14:37:31.559-07:00Might want to rethink that given the proximity to ...Might want to rethink that given the proximity to Mount Rainier (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/savageplanet/01volcano/03/indexmid.html) and the Cascadia subduction zone. (http://blog.seattlepi.com/bigscience/2014/03/27/50th-anniversary-warning-a-megathrust-quake-like-alaskas-9-2-will-hit-seattle/#21949101=0&20077103=0&20079105=0)Biking Aimzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04592422620303164456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-14625040334254264092014-12-02T17:44:05.703-08:002014-12-02T17:44:05.703-08:00Tee hee. The Portland study is True. And I've ...Tee hee. The Portland study is True. And I've already moved to Oregon from California so the fence is going up too late. Hollowbone Cronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17502441256248051228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-34651801273862761022014-11-18T18:24:54.462-08:002014-11-18T18:24:54.462-08:00I personally can do without an influx of people fr...I personally can do without an influx of people from the less civil and literate parts of the country, desperate enough to Mad Max their way through my beloved Cascadia and turn it into an overpopulated Thunderdome. I hope to be dead before that gets too bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-71363883448254583342014-09-23T11:53:41.661-07:002014-09-23T11:53:41.661-07:00I like your approach-- subtracting the areas that ...I like your approach-- subtracting the areas that are under risk to see what's left. However, unless I missed it, it looks like you missed increased forest fires-- I'm pretty sure there are projections for increasing numbers of acres burned (until they're all burned up?), and statistically speaking, the risk of that is purely a function of having forests to burn, i.e., much of Washington and Oregon. And then you have to consider the follow-on effect of increased precipitation on denuded hillsides, esp. in the Pacific NW, with volcanic soils that don't respond well to water-logging. This will in turn impact watersheds in terms of flooding (less water absorbed by trees and root systems)and water quality (increased amount of silt in streams, and also in dams, which complicates water delivery from reservoirs. <br /><br />And on another topic, regarding "Placeholder"s comments on the polar vortex: that made the news, but what was driving it was the equatorial heat pump driving heat from the eastern and central Pacific into the arctic-- that is what was pushing all the cold air down. It's GLOBAL warming, you can't just look out your window and decide what's going on based on what you seeCee2SLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05958003079214017215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-43044417218506770902014-09-12T18:57:32.430-07:002014-09-12T18:57:32.430-07:00Actually, the U.S. has been statistically deemed t...Actually, the U.S. has been statistically deemed to be an oligarchy now, not a democracy, so the rich deniers have indeed been having their way with the climate change conversation -- and they've won. (That there are thousands of armchair minions just solidifies the win of the oligarchs.) And you'd better believe that the rest of the world is pretty angry at you folks about this. <br /><br />p.s. I rode my bike. But it's not individual choices that matter. We need a complete transformation of our fossil-fuelled economic system to a zero-carbon 100% perpetual energy economy by mid-century. To get there, we need to begin our global decline in greenhouse gas emissions next year. So, wanna try for a miracle, which is the only thing that's going to give us a hope in hell of surviving the food crisis that climate disruption is creating?<br /><br />http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/04/14/us-oligarchy-not-democracy-says-scientific-study<br />and<br />http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdfGreenHeartedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10920831217530325071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-47275982321411023632014-09-12T18:42:14.610-07:002014-09-12T18:42:14.610-07:00All rock. Nowhere to grow food. Pretty place, thou...All rock. Nowhere to grow food. Pretty place, though.GreenHeartedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10920831217530325071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-76161323256401357982014-09-12T18:37:36.141-07:002014-09-12T18:37:36.141-07:00IPCC certainty that current global warming is anth...IPCC certainty that current global warming is anthropogenic is close to 100%, Jack. It's those pesky 90 million extra tons of CO2 that we're pumping into the atmosphere every day.GreenHeartedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10920831217530325071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-12503689460546061062014-08-10T16:21:43.753-07:002014-08-10T16:21:43.753-07:00The rapid decline in the cost of solar energy is a...The rapid decline in the cost of solar energy is a source of very good news in the effort to decarbonize the electric utility system. For example, in Oregon a 15 year effort to build enough solar capacity to produce 20% of electricity from solar energy would cost between 6 and 7 billion $ and produce benefits from avoiding natural gas fired generation of some 9 billion $. This would reduce carbon emissions 100 million tons at negative net cost.<br /><br />If we would do the profitable and fun things that can reduce GHG emissions we can make lots more progress faster than most folks realize.C Robertsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10137300327153679768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-46433527744187221162014-08-08T09:44:44.923-07:002014-08-08T09:44:44.923-07:00Janney Claire Alexi wrote " It's so much ...Janney Claire Alexi wrote " It's so much better to accept that humans ARE responsible and get on with changing our behaviour - like NOW. At this point deniers are the problem. How can those with denier mindset find inner peace in their stance?"<br /><br />It cannot be deniers that are the problem. We live in a democracy, and if 90+% (according to the news media) of all scientist now believe that humans cause or significantly contribute to global warming, why hasn't any significant progress been made to decrease carbon dioxide release or levels in the atmosphere? With that level of support, we have enough scientific horsepower in the "believers" that we should be well along on our path toward solving the issue. No, the problem is not deniers, the problem is hypocritical "believers". I'll bet you even drove your car to work this morning.Frank Burrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082016952126739273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-78188170817440625542014-08-04T15:12:58.037-07:002014-08-04T15:12:58.037-07:00The crazy aunt in the attic for the PNW is earthqu...The crazy aunt in the attic for the PNW is earthquakes and volcanism which will increase as a variety of knock on effects from climate change increase or accelerate. Glacier meltoff will reduce the mass of the tectonic units resulting in increased tectonism through isostatic rebound. This may also loosen up some magmatic material, increasing the amount of phreatomagmatic eruptions including the exciting possibility of Mt. Rainier wiping out the Green River Valley with a gigantic lahar as has happened previously. Baker, Glacier, Hood, St. Helens, Adams, and who knows how many unknown volcanoes are lurking in the Cascades?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08126713655693985933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-26061526163800621792014-08-04T08:53:15.946-07:002014-08-04T08:53:15.946-07:00Everyone realizes that if we acidify the oceans, a...Everyone realizes that if we acidify the oceans, and warm the planet we may all starve?<br /><br />It doesnt matter that we are living in a place that doesnt warm. <br /><br />Look where your food comes from, it doesnt just come from WA state.Michael Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06230219537755848399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-91419504458689366462014-08-04T05:48:35.076-07:002014-08-04T05:48:35.076-07:00All good, except the NW is down wind from Fukashim...All good, except the NW is down wind from Fukashima - both precipitation and ocean currents.Rainbow Mountian Apiaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15642252768262531440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-71125918300672461522014-08-04T05:32:41.785-07:002014-08-04T05:32:41.785-07:00Unfortunately, the Pacific Northwest (especially...Unfortunately, the Pacific Northwest (especially from Cape Mendocino to Vancouver Island) is ground zero for the overdue megaquake on the Cascadia subduction fault zone. The survivors of that, though, should have a dandy time free of the worst effects of global warming.Don Peltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792647440228709055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-88255876869546304342014-08-03T10:37:00.200-07:002014-08-03T10:37:00.200-07:00Jack Bloss said...
"How can we jump to that ...Jack Bloss said...<br /><br />"How can we jump to that conclusion so soon? I'm not trying to say it's wrong but our own records only date back a couple hundred years at best. What's to say a spike in the temperature like this one hasn't occurred before"<br /><br /><br />Lots of good answers to your questions right here.<br />www.skepticalscience.comMichael Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06230219537755848399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-52949686078277516522014-08-03T06:38:37.306-07:002014-08-03T06:38:37.306-07:00While I generally agree with Cliff's overall c...While I generally agree with Cliff's overall conclusions, I am not sure we will be quite as sanguine after the PDO changes phase. And the center of the "climate refuge" is actually north of us in British Columbia. So it will be the Canadians putting up the barbed wire fences to keep us out. Finally, there is one area where the Western PNW has seen huge change -- really huge change -- and that is in the increasing temperatures of our coldest cold snaps. Our coldest winter cold snaps are becoming much warmer. "Cold" in the 1950s and 60s was zero degrees F. "Cold" today is 14 degrees F. There are advantages to not having such cold extremes, such as the increasing popularity of mini split heat pumps. And there are disadvantages, such as heavy wet -- or raining -- "snow" for skiers, and increasing insect damages.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535558227994327546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-6668964396501475702014-08-01T21:09:03.390-07:002014-08-01T21:09:03.390-07:00BTW as the Seattle sits adjacent to the Pacific Ri...BTW as the Seattle sits adjacent to the Pacific Ring Of Fire it is only a matter of time before it gets wiped out by a Tsunami according to geologists. How does Upper Central Canada look?Papa Zuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07035651427992181047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-51309457215309264792014-08-01T14:27:11.719-07:002014-08-01T14:27:11.719-07:00you forgot one thing: mudslides. Climate change ...you forgot one thing: mudslides. Climate change leads to extreme weather events, such as massive rainstorms, e.g., the mudslide in Oso: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/before-the-washington-mudslide-warnings-of-the-unthinkable/2014/03/29/0088b5f2-b769-11e3-b84e-897d3d12b816_story.html<br /><br />also ocean acidification is going to affect the fishing. But overall I agree.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733645370630460772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-50933169816931445192014-08-01T08:52:24.460-07:002014-08-01T08:52:24.460-07:00Michael Snyder,
How can we jump to that conclusion...Michael Snyder,<br />How can we jump to that conclusion so soon? I'm not trying to say it's wrong but our own records only date back a couple hundred years at best. What's to say a spike in the temperature like this one hasn't occurred before? Jack Blosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10292432131257373113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-7431304273230640572014-08-01T07:32:26.077-07:002014-08-01T07:32:26.077-07:00Pennsylvania doesn't make out that bad either....Pennsylvania doesn't make out that bad either. Philly might see some low lying areas flooded out by the rise in the Delaware R. but that city needs a good cleansing anyway. I've been here (Philly burbs) over 20 years and we've only had one hurricane that caused any significant damage - Sandy in 2012. <br /><br />I'll take a storm that we can track for weeks and prepare for over an increase in earthquake activity and the potential of a related tsunami anyway: <br /><br />http://e360.yale.edu/feature/could_a_changing_climate_set_off_volcanoes_and_quakes/2525/Phadreushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13471155227916351861noreply@blogger.com