tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post6226779951623958487..comments2024-03-28T23:07:35.632-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: The AftermathCliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-28426695338351959602009-06-12T19:57:05.998-07:002009-06-12T19:57:05.998-07:00Those winds were definitely gust front/shower outf...Those winds were definitely gust front/shower outflow from the showers moving north. Happens ALL the time east of the Rockies... not sure how you can call it the marine push event.<br /><br />and where were these extraordinary winds? here in Seattle we had a nice breeze that made things feel much better than they had, but definitely not anything windy. Learn about weather in the Plains and Midwest if you want windy.Weather Is My Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11959087601911808613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-30589835601318555892009-06-12T12:35:40.286-07:002009-06-12T12:35:40.286-07:00I am told that Cmano Island gets no thunderstorms ...I am told that Cmano Island gets no thunderstorms at all., which is hard to beleive. Is this true?springerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940516090199719882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-55022052835819204302009-06-09T22:24:35.444-07:002009-06-09T22:24:35.444-07:00Cliff,
Speaking about weather-related disasters, I...Cliff,<br />Speaking about weather-related disasters, I wonder how much you've been following the Air France 447 discussions.<br /><br />Here's a FASCINATING page where they are exhaustively reviewing the weather that the plane encountered.<br /><br />http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/JewelyaZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09434569437851248356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-58217828872340611222009-06-09T20:57:54.318-07:002009-06-09T20:57:54.318-07:00well slap me silly its getting very dark and cloud...well slap me silly its getting very dark and cloudy here in chehalis and the radar shows a nice healthy cell.. hopefully we will have a t-shower :)Diary of a cat householdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740567152994415008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-68858759618469461942009-06-09T16:23:15.303-07:002009-06-09T16:23:15.303-07:00Prof. Mass, some discussion of a developing El Nin...Prof. Mass, some discussion of a developing El Nino pattern according to NOAA. How will this affect our summer to fall weather?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03592060363558323782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-45078429642315271822009-06-09T12:57:31.786-07:002009-06-09T12:57:31.786-07:00The other death, the man in Lake Washington near K...The other death, the man in Lake Washington near Kirkland was unfortunate, but again, not 100% a weather problem. Both boaters appeared very inexperienced. "Lost?" as reported in the paper along a shoreline in a major metropolitan area. It's hard to understand their actions unless they severely under the influence. We are lucky both of them didn't die.<br /><br />The kids in Bellingham bay, after midnight sailing? Risky at best and with the wind come up, staying put would have been the lifesaver. I've been in 18ft sailboats that can hold 6, but for most boats that size the upper limit is 4. Still if they had waited an hour or so, the front would have passed by and they would have been able to come home safely.GaryP.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16946775119505539856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-51371986240626121662009-06-09T12:30:25.793-07:002009-06-09T12:30:25.793-07:00I think it was the push up from OR - The two syste...I think it was the push up from OR - The two systems - Low from the south and High from the North crashing - We paraglider pilots were wathching them for a week - <br />Raw video at<br />http://thepreacherswing.blogspot.com/Dave Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059184708034281493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-1342216605339482872009-06-09T08:12:21.667-07:002009-06-09T08:12:21.667-07:00Sailing involves a certain level of risk that one ...Sailing involves a certain level of risk that one can greatly reduce through skill and vigilance. Deficits in the latter two characteristics will not be overcome with increasing expenditure of public funds. Also the drunken driver approaching you in the other lane will always be a greater risk than a storm coming in from the coast.John Franklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16424249779395129712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-45485136360636576802009-06-09T04:13:21.666-07:002009-06-09T04:13:21.666-07:00Although if you are including the two deaths in Be...Although if you are including the two deaths in Bellingham it is quite clear that the young people who were amongst 6 people and a dog in a 16 foot sailboat sailing after midnight without anyone wearing a life jacket were being highly irresponsible. I doubt they checked the forecast before sailing. Plus, they left the island they were visiting (Chuckanut Island) after the marine push started, so they already knew about the wind. I know several of the survivors - it was very sad, but also very irresponsible. The wind tipped them over, but their lack of responsibility killed them.Jay_Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479390162942250293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-5032406454476296352009-06-08T23:18:58.596-07:002009-06-08T23:18:58.596-07:00I went kayaking with my 5-year old that evening, b...I went kayaking with my 5-year old that evening, but fortunately came in before the push hit. I'm an experienced sailor and knowledgeable about marine pushes.<br /><br />Went kayaking after checking the NWS and marine forecasts. Checked the sky and conditions before and in all directions while out. <br /><br />Had no idea the push would be so strong. Would not have gone out if I knew.<br /><br />"Would it be useful for my profession to create a warning capability based on this pressure difference that was available on the web? Or the NWS could put out a warning on their NOAA weather radio on that basis?"<br /><br />Absolutely on NOAA weather radio! When we are on our sailboat or kayaks we do not have internet access, but we do have marine band radios. We even have a NOAA emergency alert radio at the house. <br /><br />Web alerts are helpful sometimes and would have been good before we went kayaking because we had been home, with internet access, all that day and evening.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04134747779910360488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-621736804503182072009-06-08T19:22:31.205-07:002009-06-08T19:22:31.205-07:00Even the most useful "Nowcast" is only a...Even the most useful "Nowcast" is only a tool, available to those who look for it, or happen to turn on weather radio. Not to cast aspersions on the dead, but does anyone think they looked for the sudden change in the weather? It was a beautiful if warm day, and even with my foreknowledge of the change coming I was a little taken aback by the suddenness (not having caught Cliff's update). But I was only sitting on my deck watching cedar needles fall into my glass of wine (though I did strike the deck umbrella before the zephyr hit).<br /><br />When sailing one must maintain constant vigilance and look fore and aft constantly because unexpected stuff happens. A more casual sailor may not have even glanced at the weather forecast or taken it seriously anyway. Look into the cause, Cliff, but wonder more if these folks would have seen the warnings anyway.JayDeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08675288880678437218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-15708343114724119282009-06-08T13:09:20.543-07:002009-06-08T13:09:20.543-07:00Some of these boaters are just accidents waiting t...Some of these boaters are just accidents waiting to happen. In the Bellingham incident, the boater had six people in an 18-foot boat. That's just way too many. If for some reason you ever needed to put six people in an 18-foot boat, they should all be wearing life jackets at all times.<br /><br />I spent many years sailing on Puget Sound but honestly, since moving to the woods and learning how much stuff falls down in a strong wind, I think it's safer to be a wise sailor on Puget Sound than it is to walk through the woods in a strong storm.serial catownerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800677862631943635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-90069452938232797612009-06-08T12:29:32.662-07:002009-06-08T12:29:32.662-07:00The most important lesson here is to practice good...The most important lesson here is to practice good seamanship all the time, even when it's sunny and warm. If you're on a sailboat that means having your sails ready to go at anchorage, having your reefing gear set up (if you can't put a reef in your main in 2 minutes, something is wrong), and having your anchor system ready to go.<br /><br />The winds that came up were strong, but not that strong. 25 knots with some stronger gusts are really not that crazy of conditions. This is where being prepared and good seamanship really come into play. While more accurate weather prediction is important, nothing can make up for skill and prudence on the water.Bob Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15598368072366661638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-32413070036335944522009-06-08T09:56:38.754-07:002009-06-08T09:56:38.754-07:00Your Blog today poses an interesting question. I t...Your Blog today poses an interesting question. I too was saddened to hear about the loss of life during the event (I would like to note that a couple did lack personal flotation devices.) As boaters we have often been frustrated by the lack of notice about these significant abrupt pushes. Last year we were caught in a similar scenario near Whidbey Island in a sailboat and hardly hard time to trim the sails!<br />It appears to me that we live in a meteorological wonderland with a vast array of potential weather patters that makes it almost impossible to warn about these events…I would love to find out that I am wrong and enjoy accurate warnings!.Runs with scissorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05273092869319521655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-34604431447770468962009-06-08T09:46:52.085-07:002009-06-08T09:46:52.085-07:00there was nothing on the local news weather there ...there was nothing on the local news weather there was going to be a push like what happened. Just like they never reported the weather system that would bring the floods to lewis county ( seattle magazine reported)Diary of a cat householdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740567152994415008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-1547167073836487902009-06-08T09:26:23.852-07:002009-06-08T09:26:23.852-07:00Very interesting. I have had an experience with a ...Very interesting. I have had an experience with a wind event on a fire in Northern California. Typical sunny hot day in the Sierra Foothills. Not a cloud in the sky and up-slope diurnal light winds. Miles away over the Sierra Crest (donner summit area) a large cell of thunderstorms where moving north. The downburst from the storm followed the American River drainage for miles down into the foothills and "all hell broke loose". We went from a calm sw wind to a 50mph east wind that blew our fire to hell. Not only did it bring wind but drier air as well. It was like a flash flood of wind. We didn't see it coming.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645629430659310315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-31401932153482754162009-06-08T08:12:50.179-07:002009-06-08T08:12:50.179-07:00One interesting thing about being a weather buff i...One interesting thing about being a weather buff is the fact that phenomena that we witness as intense, interesting and sublime can be deadly to people in it's path but I'm still gonna enjoy it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14454110586433560356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-49279969864472427062009-06-08T07:16:35.620-07:002009-06-08T07:16:35.620-07:00I love that like any dedicated scientist, your fir...I love that like any dedicated scientist, your first response to a tragedy is to study it and figure out what went wrong. I wish you good effects from your efforts.<br /><br />Thanks also for mentioning the deaths of those individuals. It's easy to forget that strong weather can be dangerous, and I think it's important to recognize that and keep a reality check.<br /><br />As for our weather: I was surprised to see a NWS forecast for partly sunny skies and highs in the 70s this week. It seems too nice for a June gloom. What's your thought?Emily Pfeiferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17681724874487735677noreply@blogger.com