tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post6556852919539371516..comments2024-03-28T10:16:44.231-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: The Colorado Wildfire and Global Warming: Is there a Connection?Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-63570737569003183372022-02-17T17:56:36.907-08:002022-02-17T17:56:36.907-08:00Cliff: Sorry, I missed your response among the ema...Cliff: Sorry, I missed your response among the emails that came in. Thank you for taking the time. <br />My concern is that your conclusion is nearly as strong as the people who tie the fires to AGW. You literally state in your conclusion<br /><br />"Global warming had very little to do with the destructive wildfire that occurred in Colorado on December 30th."<br /><br />I don't see how you have established the absence of a link between AGW and the fires. Had you said instead:<br /><br />"There is insufficient evidence to conclude that there is a causal connection (sorry about the typo in my original) between AGW and these fires."<br /><br />It's nitpicky, but as a Statistics teacher, I get hives every time someone suggests that they've proven the null.<br /><br />DaveDavid Ellingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00887381364690379393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-28225564007982453992022-01-11T18:22:55.140-08:002022-01-11T18:22:55.140-08:00I came across this article that agrees with you an...I came across this article that agrees with you and articulates a better approach for humanity.https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-021-00332-2?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=5899d999ff-briefing-dy-20220110_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-5899d999ff-45370518<br />dianaeddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13970503797750588054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-11643588781546888522022-01-09T14:30:14.239-08:002022-01-09T14:30:14.239-08:00Cliff,
A few years ago, I planned a backpack trip ...Cliff,<br />A few years ago, I planned a backpack trip through an area in Central Oregon where there had been a severe forest fire a few years prior. I was expecting wide open spaces, but just the opposite. The whole landscape, including the trail itself, was covered by a dense thicket of a plant called Snowbrush Ceanothus. About 6 feet tall and nearly impenetrable. <br /><br />Apparently, the soil in the area had been full of dormant ceanothus seeds, waiting decades or even centuries for a fire hot enough to allow them to germinate. The plant itself contains high levels of flammable oils which help promote fIre. It’s a native species, and found in recently burned areas throughout the western states. Here’s a great link if you’re interested:<br /><br />https://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/shrub/ceavel/all.htmlSnapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10191939953231437312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-88218381437820708152022-01-09T10:22:11.956-08:002022-01-09T10:22:11.956-08:00Caroline: Like other posters, you need to provide ...Caroline: Like other posters, you need to provide proof to back up your claims. Anyone can just make stuff up and point to it as fact, like you're doing here.time2losehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966249043125625948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-15425767206817901882022-01-08T14:17:49.197-08:002022-01-08T14:17:49.197-08:00Hi Cliff. Respect for your debunking and thoughtfu...Hi Cliff. Respect for your debunking and thoughtful analysis. Down Under best practice would be to do a cool burn on patches of the grasslands when the weather conditions allow for it. The ash from the cool burn provides a fertile layer for the new grass to grow in, and patch work burning allows for the critters living in the grasslands to not be entirely wiped out by big fires - like that one. But more importantly it breaks up the continuous fuel loads. Will such happen - no, because cultural aesthetic considerations over ride such common sense and basically nobody wants to pay for such work. But it would work. Cheers. ChrisFernglade Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06950962122594709186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-22808908731021309522022-01-08T12:41:31.716-08:002022-01-08T12:41:31.716-08:00Likely because the local residents would not react...Likely because the local residents would not react favorably to large scale agricultural work happening in their immediate vicinity. Zoning ordinances also likely don't permit those activities.Dion Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05413543353353174264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-87418637181392371062022-01-08T12:32:18.734-08:002022-01-08T12:32:18.734-08:00Snape...you are absolutely correct...these are dea...Snape...you are absolutely correct...these are dead fuel moistures...which is appropriate for the grasses this time of the yearCliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-56438067585853900402022-01-08T09:57:23.113-08:002022-01-08T09:57:23.113-08:00It’s your job to support an assertion, not the rea...It’s your job to support an assertion, not the reader. <br /><br />“Aliens on a distant planet are plotting an invasion of Earth. Prove me wrong.” <br /><br />“I once ran a 10 second hundred meter dash. Prove me wrong”.<br /><br />Point being, it’s easy to make up nonsense that’s difficult or impossible to prove wrong. Just ask your friend Q.Snapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10191939953231437312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-69356984024393433462022-01-08T08:53:57.807-08:002022-01-08T08:53:57.807-08:00Cliff/Unknown,
Worth clarifying - the one hour def...Cliff/Unknown,<br />Worth clarifying - the one hour definition for dead fuel does not apply to live fuel. For example, do you really think that on a warm summer day, the moisture content of grass in a green lawn will reach equilibrium with the environment in one hour?<br /><br />This point is relevant to the life cycle of cheatgrass:<br />“Life-Cycle: Annual, that reproduces by seed and sprouts soon after snow melts and often again in the early fall.”<br /><br />https://methowconservancy.org/weeds/cheatgrassSnapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10191939953231437312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-2079958830938084542022-01-07T18:06:30.066-08:002022-01-07T18:06:30.066-08:00Grass fires across the entire short grass prairie ...Grass fires across the entire short grass prairie from the Front Range for a couple hundred miles to the east were very common more than 50 years ago. I know. I lived there as a kid. What changed wasn't the climate. It was irrigation. Widespread irrigation changed farming. Native grasses were removed and row crops planted. Most of the fires stopped. In the Front Range area of Denver, the cities have bought all of the water rights and shut down much of the irrigated farming. The region is returning to non-irrigated farming and conservation where there is no farming. That makes the area much more flammable again. Historically, fires frequently burned off large areas. The primary difference now is that there a lot of homes built where fires are common. And it isn't really practical to spread the homes far enough apart to protect against fast moving grass fires.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151708571900915034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-74489525920561100342022-01-07T16:56:13.800-08:002022-01-07T16:56:13.800-08:00Hydroelectric capacity will decrease if the curren...Hydroelectric capacity will decrease if the current Washington state government and tribes remove dams. Other renewables are not capable of providing reliable grid capacity. If you think so, you are fooling yourself. Fossil fuels or nuclear will be needed. Storage of solar and/or wind power is very inefficient currently for one thing. Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02739575454791927332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-69895185431501947622022-01-07T15:05:58.324-08:002022-01-07T15:05:58.324-08:00I wonder why all that wonderful grass wasn't h...I wonder why all that wonderful grass wasn't harvested for cattle feed. $170 per ton, according to a USDA Agricultural. clive boultonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13368132383395164003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-42326379652735288312022-01-07T11:57:06.844-08:002022-01-07T11:57:06.844-08:00Sure. So is everything else connected to the grid....Sure. So is everything else connected to the grid. What's your point, exactly? You know what else powers the grid? Increasingly, renewables. And hydroelectric generation.time2losehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966249043125625948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-30025104365548167192022-01-07T11:32:57.061-08:002022-01-07T11:32:57.061-08:00I respect your analysis... but....Record breaking ...I respect your analysis... but....Record breaking heat...record breaking cold...record breaking rain..in one year?..hmmm. I think your models aren't picking up something.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673357640361156989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-54128195940592626382022-01-07T11:03:52.016-08:002022-01-07T11:03:52.016-08:00they are causing carbon emissions from coal plants...they are causing carbon emissions from coal plants that feed their batteries. <br />Bill Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668569642056161344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-32837060557613814122022-01-07T11:00:44.802-08:002022-01-07T11:00:44.802-08:00Never let a good tragedy go to waste! - the Media...Never let a good tragedy go to waste! - the Media and other political activists.Bill Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668569642056161344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-19553710647803219102022-01-07T10:22:55.584-08:002022-01-07T10:22:55.584-08:00https://www.drought.gov/states/coloradohttps://www.drought.gov/states/coloradoGo2Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929525126475511874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-80064538390141626642022-01-07T09:53:52.974-08:002022-01-07T09:53:52.974-08:00Thanks. I learned a new word — teleconnection. Thanks. I learned a new word — teleconnection. Steven Seattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13950795464118186290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-14700734365140600912022-01-07T08:37:16.325-08:002022-01-07T08:37:16.325-08:00What do mask and vaccination requirements have to ...What do mask and vaccination requirements have to do with a Colorado wildfire? Also, do you have proof to back up your claims? If so, we are waiting.time2losehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966249043125625948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-16768245385635139892022-01-07T08:35:24.998-08:002022-01-07T08:35:24.998-08:00What do electric vehicles have to do with a Colora...What do electric vehicles have to do with a Colorado wildfire?time2losehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06966249043125625948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-21493941693302746482022-01-07T07:52:19.914-08:002022-01-07T07:52:19.914-08:00Absolutely. I only pointed it out so people don...Absolutely. I only pointed it out so people don't think that will always, 100%, be the case in a single hour. Thanks again for the blog!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16382934926102818763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-56937913284083001712022-01-07T07:20:37.926-08:002022-01-07T07:20:37.926-08:00this was a blog about a wildfire...this was a blog about a wildfire...Patschwaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11890171653653245595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-91195723292845153062022-01-07T06:37:38.908-08:002022-01-07T06:37:38.908-08:00Dr. Mass, thank you for the post. Have you seen th...Dr. Mass, thank you for the post. Have you seen the linked data from CSU, indicating that June-Dec 2021 was the warmest/driest such period on record for the Front Range?<br />https://twitter.com/russ_schumacher/status/1476715126266994699?s=20shepley1322https://www.blogger.com/profile/04733383712327388257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-34999055047501636152022-01-07T05:49:38.268-08:002022-01-07T05:49:38.268-08:00NoSnowMaggedon,
Today n schools, grocery stores, e...NoSnowMaggedon,<br />Today n schools, grocery stores, etc, people are being forced to cover their mouth and nose with some sort of fabric - but you know it won’t stop there. Next thing they’ll be making us wear shirts and shoes too, or, god forbid, even pants or shorts! Something out of a dystopian sci-fI.<br /><br />I’m proposing an amendment to the constitution: <br />“The right to keep our faces uncovered at all times and places, including in public during a pandemic, shall not be infringed”.<br /><br />Stand with me, and don’t let Government take away this important freedom.Snapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10191939953231437312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-87663907717673017382022-01-07T05:48:18.989-08:002022-01-07T05:48:18.989-08:00In the summer of 2018, here in southeastern Washin...In the summer of 2018, here in southeastern Washington, a major range fire burned four or five square miles of cheatgrass covered rangeland south of town before it was controlled, burning several structures to the ground. <br /><br />All that cheatgrass is now back in place just as dense as it was before the 2018 fire.<br /><br />Looking at the Google Satellite image of the area that was burned in Colorado, there is a large strip of open grassland south and west of the subdivision which is aligned more or less along the direction of the Chinook winds that normally blow through that area.<br /><br />A fire starting on that strip of grassland under strong Chinook winds would become a blowtorch flame pointed directly at the subdivision which burned to the ground.<br /><br />If the subdivision is rebuilt and no precautions are taken to control grass fires on that strip of land, the new subdivision will eventually be destroyed in another Chinook driven conflagration. Betah Blocherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05830083338356921513noreply@blogger.com