tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post7043167615702481649..comments2024-03-28T03:08:44.068-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Why do we suffer?Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-895786797361973452011-07-24T19:14:44.321-07:002011-07-24T19:14:44.321-07:00How about this? The LRC, Lezak's Recurring Cyc...How about this? The LRC, Lezak's Recurring Cycle theory. The great Northwest has seen this pattern before this year. Ever put any thought into it?Josh Hermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809581468183556700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-67374898951417339012011-07-22T10:20:36.790-07:002011-07-22T10:20:36.790-07:00Gary,
Perhaps KUOW is to blame. I don't c...Gary,<br /> Perhaps KUOW is to blame. I don't claim to be an intimate of the weather gods, but they surely know that I am one of their servants, and they don't take lightly one of their acolytes being silenced. Looking at the radar I have seen particularly heavy rain over Steve Scher's house in north Seattle. A coincidence? .cliffCliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-16263283655729163172011-07-22T09:34:08.937-07:002011-07-22T09:34:08.937-07:00I'm with Gary and am blaming KOUW!I'm with Gary and am blaming KOUW!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-58946676241990784342011-07-22T00:40:10.458-07:002011-07-22T00:40:10.458-07:00This map reminds me of the same pattern last winte...This map reminds me of the same pattern last winter when our La Nina winter was too warm for snow in seattle (and people were complaining), yet the east coast was getting dumped on.. Appears to me that not much has changed in our overall pattern since last Dec.mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10444990196173342033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-15058524270235707442011-07-22T00:23:25.026-07:002011-07-22T00:23:25.026-07:00Nice blog, Cliff, I feel informed now. I don't...Nice blog, Cliff, I feel informed now. I don't mind the cool weather one bit. My dad is 86 and his weather is 96. not too cool, eh? bada bump.<br /><br />I think the ocean is where we need to focus our attention.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07330290685093920065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-62806723834884623782011-07-21T16:18:02.044-07:002011-07-21T16:18:02.044-07:00Personally, I'll take high 50's and 60'...Personally, I'll take high 50's and 60's over cities elsewhere in the US that are in the 90's and have passed the century mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-8811672666919554332011-07-21T13:59:10.040-07:002011-07-21T13:59:10.040-07:00Today (7/21)'s look at the CPC's 6-10 and...Today (7/21)'s look at the CPC's 6-10 and 8-14 day outlooks keeps the idea of normal to slightly-above-normal temps going, and definitely dry. If the next couple of days of outlooks and western WA weather discussions continue with the same idea, I'm actually going to start getting hopeful that we just might get a semblance of a reasonable NW summer. And the new one and 3-month outlooks look fine as well.Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672849934921996050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-88196572108647934832011-07-21T12:46:46.521-07:002011-07-21T12:46:46.521-07:00It's because I have been laid off! I was laid...It's because I have been laid off! I was laid off in 1993, and the same thing happened ;-)<br /><br />Anyone need a chemist?<br /><br />Anselwald@gmail.comAnselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13835758313287462921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-82246811883389060522011-07-21T09:41:54.304-07:002011-07-21T09:41:54.304-07:00I seem to remember the summer of 84 as being one l...I seem to remember the summer of 84 as being one long rainstorm. How does that one compare to this year?ruthkiddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541446978973784528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-16735223272946787962011-07-20T22:46:25.361-07:002011-07-20T22:46:25.361-07:00I grew up on the Great Lakes and still remember th...I grew up on the Great Lakes and still remember the sweltering summers, not being able to sleep at night, etc. and have run into a number of folks recently who moved here from places like Texas and said they love the weather here.<br /><br />It hasn't really rained that much this summer and I'm much happier gardening in cloud cover. It's comfortable. Low fire hazard in the forests. <br /><br />Maybe the whiners should move and decrease our surplus population. Down to 1982 levels, at least.<br /><br />BTW Cliff, are you going to return to posting the YouTube Friday forecasts? The few you did were great. We won't mind if you talk about math ed, either!MaryAnn Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01024733402131558455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-5790430406445345022011-07-20T22:21:50.591-07:002011-07-20T22:21:50.591-07:00I don't know, I think some of this is a bit ov...I don't know, I think some of this is a bit overdrawn. Not to say the summer has been a "good" one, but for my mind it is somewhat better than last year. <br /><br />Last year, it seemed there wee no "bad" days with temperatures in the low 60s and rain, but there were lots of lots of days of thick marine layer with late day burn-offs (if there was burn-off at all). This year has had more sunshine and more days in the 70s.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948338364889206641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-70481679114777982732011-07-20T22:21:43.648-07:002011-07-20T22:21:43.648-07:00We are having the finest summer I can remember her...We are having the finest summer I can remember here in central Washington. Beautiful days and cool nights. Reminds me a lot of summers in Denver when I was growing up. My plants and trees look great--they have neither been blown nor baked to bits like they usually are by mid-July.<br /><br />One thing that I have found astounding is the changes I've noticed in the wildlife populations around here. It could be the cooler weather is encouraging more "visibility" of coyotes and nighthawks because they're out more when people can see them, but I think there has also been a lot more of them this year to see. We forget sometimes that the weather is responsible for many more things besides human comfort.Captain Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09294085455860971795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-36506006401804404122011-07-20T21:29:30.442-07:002011-07-20T21:29:30.442-07:00At least Job had some variety among all his tormen...At least Job had some variety among all his torments!<br /><br />Right now I'd love to see some sun, even if the temperatures weren't any higher. Oh, well, most years I have to water my mid-summer veggie plantings twice a day for a couple weeks straight... but not this year!<br /><br />On the down side, usually by now the grass has slowed down and the blades are thinner... but not this year! The grass in my overgrown yard is as thick and lush as it was in April. Ugh.<br /><br />In any case, I have vacation in a few weeks, so I'd appreciate some nicer weather by early August. Is that too much to ask?Westside guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07171473508596734156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-5057227043232169392011-07-20T20:14:00.423-07:002011-07-20T20:14:00.423-07:00Freddy
Of course PDO does not gel well with much ...Freddy<br /><br />Of course PDO does not gel well with much of last winter. The heart of winter was warmer than normal and blah, blah, blah. <br /><br />That's part of the reason I'm made at La Nina. It decides to earn its stripes in April and May rather than winter when some snow at least would have broken up the gray murk. Outside of a memorable November snow, the last winter was about as snowy as those lost El Nino winters. <br /><br />I understand we don't get the major departures or seasons, but it'd be nice to have a break from warmer than normal in winter and cooler than normal in summer.Mattsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556740744428675922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-83258036280543495972011-07-20T14:05:25.540-07:002011-07-20T14:05:25.540-07:00Folks, the cool, cloudy, rainy summer we're ha...Folks, the cool, cloudy, rainy summer we're having goes FAR beyond a mere La Nina! It is the PDO! This is far more profound, and lasting, and real.<br /><br />Please, for God's sake, read why:<br /><br />"The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a pattern of Pacific climate variability that shifts phases on at least inter-decadal time scale, usually about 20 to 30 years. The PDO is detected as warm or cool surface waters in the Pacific Ocean, north of 20° N. During a "warm", or "positive", phase, the west Pacific becomes cool and part of the eastern ocean warms; during a "cool" or "negative" phase, the opposite pattern occurs."<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/37vbonfreddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874780016491360565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-35830804121785637862011-07-20T13:53:02.834-07:002011-07-20T13:53:02.834-07:00Cliff, there is evidence of a pattern change late ...Cliff, there is evidence of a pattern change late in the month into August. Any comment on this? I'd say that I'll believe it when I see it, but really, things have to change at some point, right? Surely we've never gone an entire summer in this pattern. Therefore, I'm holding out hope in what the GFS has been predicting in the long range for a few days now. NWS has also commented on this possible change. My theory is that we are simply a month behind with summer this year and July is behaving like our typical "June gloom". Therefore, I believe August will be better and that summer will hang on well into September.*Leighbugs*https://www.blogger.com/profile/13291578722413756006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-10727291187365566612011-07-20T13:45:14.388-07:002011-07-20T13:45:14.388-07:00I was struck by the 5-fold nature of the highs/low...I was struck by the 5-fold nature of the highs/lows around the north pole, and it made me think of the hexagonal cloud pattern around the north pole of Saturn.<br />http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap091214.html<br />Maybe once a resonance is set up, it persists, "ringing" for a while after the forcing event is over.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14827037523895547724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-73579200097739387342011-07-20T13:17:28.121-07:002011-07-20T13:17:28.121-07:00Well...all I know is that my plants/flowers are ac...Well...all I know is that my plants/flowers are acting really weird...some not normally tall are acting like bean stalks looking for sun..others still have not bloomed...and many are just stunted. And why are they still trying to sell tomato plants? Nurseries are saying that this is their worst year ever. Does this foretell a bad winter ahead? I better order a cord of wood now.Scrapycandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16134006928274020506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-50007537288568092392011-07-20T13:17:16.695-07:002011-07-20T13:17:16.695-07:00Suffer?!? Who is suffering? This is a glorious sum...Suffer?!? Who is suffering? This is a glorious summer! I haven't had a speck of sunburn, nor heatstroke. I count this a winning summer.camelamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15047366798106484542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-56471500729091103752011-07-20T12:57:37.914-07:002011-07-20T12:57:37.914-07:00dw, if I'm reading this right, 1979-81 were ne...dw, if I'm reading this right, 1979-81 were neutral years in El Nino/La Nina terms:<br /><br />http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtmlSusanna Fraserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16149293228696867804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-2482760375011242912011-07-20T11:30:51.845-07:002011-07-20T11:30:51.845-07:00Is it possible that this coming year we will see a...Is it possible that this coming year we will see another La Nina, albiet maybe a weaker one? Does a neutral year have to follow a strong La Nina like the one we just experienced?Harrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00571866947383901858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-63775190950197985462011-07-20T11:17:18.049-07:002011-07-20T11:17:18.049-07:00I'm starting to think the theory that KUOW'...I'm starting to think the theory that KUOW's terrible treatment of Cliff is responsible for our discontented summer has merit. No Cliff, no summer! Maybe KUOW asking Cliff to return and sponsoring a "sun dance" ritual in Gas Works Park would do the trick.<br /><br />On a more serious note, I wonder if the limitations in the current models have to do with a lack of coordination between atmospheric scientists and oceanographers in creating the models? Scientists know that ocean currents play a profound role in climate. Here in Seattle, we're at the mercy of the North Pacific (so if someone could come up with a ritual to appease the North Pacific gods, we'd be set). On top of that, we're currently in a cold phase of the PDO, so I wonder if that means an upwelling of unusually cold water is forcing the current La Nina pattern to remain in place, even if the underlying cause in the tropical Pacific has weakened?Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15277547137467661462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-51142961147852395902011-07-20T11:07:14.374-07:002011-07-20T11:07:14.374-07:00DW - Here are the stats from Summer 1980 at Seatac...DW - Here are the stats from Summer 1980 at Seatac:<br /><br />June Hi/Lo: 64/51<br />July Hi/Lo: 72/55<br />Aug Hi/Lo: 70/54<br />Sept Hi/Lo: 66/52<br /><br />So you can see that was a cool summer as well.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119121675943204095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-76114318425960689622011-07-20T10:38:22.086-07:002011-07-20T10:38:22.086-07:00Cliff:
Any chance the lack of warm weather now (a...Cliff:<br /><br />Any chance the lack of warm weather now (and related lack of warming of the ground, surface water, etc.) could translate into a colder fall and winter this year? Thanks!Jim Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05068564615612575150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-7795053782219010082011-07-20T10:26:05.760-07:002011-07-20T10:26:05.760-07:00So here's my question:
The last time Oklahoma...So here's my question:<br /><br />The last time Oklahoma had a summer as miserable as this was the summer of 1980. That time, a huge ridge of high pressure built up over the plains and left Oklahoma and Texas with weeks of 100+ weather and drought conditions all summer long.<br /><br />I wasn't living in Seattle then, but I was wondering if Seattle's 1980 weather was similar to this year's and whether it was a La Nina/El Nino year. That is, do these stubborn Midwestern summer highs have any correlation with unusual winter weather?dwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00735503669484140321noreply@blogger.com