tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post8385144014135710155..comments2024-03-28T23:07:35.632-07:00Comments on Cliff Mass Weather Blog: Should Personal Fireworks Be Banned?Cliff Mass Weather Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-37867978124629956952017-07-15T12:32:02.918-07:002017-07-15T12:32:02.918-07:00Mostly they are illegal in my area. A few cities ...Mostly they are illegal in my area. A few cities still allow them, so people that want them go to those cities to buy them and then bring them home to where they are illegal. <br /><br />The real reason they go on being legal at least in my area is that the importer works with local charities (boy scouts, little leagues, that type of thing) who fund raise by selling them, to pressure local city councils into allowing their sale. "You are anti-little league? You hate kids!!" <br /><br />The fire authority pressures the local city councils the other way, because they have to go deal with the fires, and the EMTs have to deal with the kids that have their hands blown off. (One nearby this year--whole hand is gone.) But the fireworks importers have more clout. Hoover Boohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03083294821646284424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-58720119500460032432017-07-09T07:22:30.656-07:002017-07-09T07:22:30.656-07:00I completely agree. There is no reason for persona...I completely agree. There is no reason for personal fireworks. They scare many pets to death. They cause fires and severe injuries. Rufus T. Fireflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024990915449601984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-29710681183412482922017-07-08T11:48:20.196-07:002017-07-08T11:48:20.196-07:00There was not much problem till the concussion gre...There was not much problem till the concussion grenades and shock-and-awe stuff took over, over the last twenty years or so. When people are losing sleep every night and drugging their pets to get them through the week, things are way, WAY out of hand. The fireworks industry and their customers are doing this to themselves, and I have no sympathy for 'em. If you're causing people to suffer in the name of "patriotism," you must have missed a day in Civics 101.<br /><br />Port Angeles banned personal fireworks last year; Sequim does it next year. Not gonna pretend that everyone's over it, or that compliance is perfect. But life on the Fourth has already gotten a lot easier.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18412411532260194366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-85868312646147267602017-07-08T09:58:48.573-07:002017-07-08T09:58:48.573-07:00Two business owners who lost their buildings due t...Two business owners who lost their buildings due to fireworks in Oakville doesn't sound like freedom or responsibility mainstreeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06311958194036737432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-22512326599672235162017-07-07T21:33:08.769-07:002017-07-07T21:33:08.769-07:00Totally agree. I just wish the cops would enforce ...Totally agree. I just wish the cops would enforce the bans in places like Kirkland, etc. Booze and fireworks--and the two go hand in hand--are not a good combo.Yasmine Galenornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03416178397792051848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-4162448904007758572017-07-07T14:24:26.162-07:002017-07-07T14:24:26.162-07:00I am a pet sitter with autism (sensitive hearing, ...I am a pet sitter with autism (sensitive hearing, sight, smell...) and PTSD. More pets go missing on Independence Day than any other day of the year. Sadly, some never return. The knowing, willful cruelty of neighbors who insist on breaking the law around me knowing how seriously it affects vulnerable populations is simply astonishing and disillusioning. It is antithetical to empathy and community. My mom is a retired hand therapist who always saw lots of new patients with missing digits after July 4th each year. Thank you for this. It's time to enforce the law and leave fireworks to the professionals.Jon Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01889921326464670757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-24555425367211805362017-07-07T11:21:34.951-07:002017-07-07T11:21:34.951-07:00Rebecca, good catch, but a change of a few orders ...Rebecca, good catch, but a change of a few orders of magnitude in this case still leaves us with a percentage in the low single-digits.Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16113544345441368032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-10466567800190441982017-07-07T08:52:42.130-07:002017-07-07T08:52:42.130-07:00I have little patience with the 'well, we'...I have little patience with the 'well, we've always done that' defense of stupid things we like or want to do. The list of things 'we've always done' but no longer do is long, even limited to my 50+ years on this Earth. The way I think about it personal fireworks are like drunk driving: A incredibly stupid, dangerous activity this nation largely tolerated decades until the body count got too high. When Rez Boom Towns began in the late 70's the population of Washington State was half of today and much more rural. Simply put, there were a lot less people blowing sh*t up in a lot more open space. Times change.<br /><br />The over-whelming source for the kind of pyro that shreds bodies and torches property are Indian reservations. Back in the Bad Old pre-casino days Boom Towns were a major cash source for desperately impoverished native Peoples but the economics have changed. Perhaps it is now possible for Tribal government to be able to end Boom Towns without taking food from the mouth of children. Anon the Greathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15733276546034661649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-20490759113970161642017-07-07T07:19:41.720-07:002017-07-07T07:19:41.720-07:00Personally, I don't support a blanket firework...Personally, I don't support a blanket fireworks ban. That should be up to individual communities to decide!<br /><br />Communication with your family and neighbors, fostering, respect and responsibility with in your neighborhood is always a good thing for society. <br /><br />Don't forget Freedom has steep price, and we each have a responsibility as citizens.<br /><br />Anyway...<br />Cliff,<br />Why is the June 15 NOAA long range prediction so 100% wrong when it come to not seeing the drought in eastern Montana and the Dakota's?<br /><br />I understand it is a probability, but it seems to be frequently off by alot. <br /><br />As a farmer, it is critical to have better seasonal predictions. <br /><br />It seems the old farmers almanac is more accurate than all the fancy government scientists at NOAA??!<br /><br />What's up with that?<br />http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/long_range/two_class.php<br />Organic Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694548750704036717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-27557216435628127832017-07-07T01:36:07.102-07:002017-07-07T01:36:07.102-07:00I gotta disagree - fireworks should not be banned ...I gotta disagree - fireworks should not be banned outright. However, folks should be considerate and cease fire by 10pm and be limited to just the 4th of July and New Year's. I haven't slept a full night since June 26th!<br /><br /><br />As I write this from my home near Burien at 1:34a, people are still lighting mortar shells a 1/4 of a mile or so away. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04068123071932708694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-85715547673032721172017-07-06T22:11:54.688-07:002017-07-06T22:11:54.688-07:00ironist,
The viewpoint of veterans is very im...ironist,<br /> The viewpoint of veterans is very important. You can either set up a separate gmail account that does not identify you or you can send it to me and I can post it without any identifying information. Or even send it to my department (box 351640, UW, 98195)...cliffCliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-53969656440952736652017-07-06T22:11:42.104-07:002017-07-06T22:11:42.104-07:00ironist,
The viewpoint of veterans is very im...ironist,<br /> The viewpoint of veterans is very important. You can either set up a separate gmail account that does not identify you or you can send it to me and I can post it without any identifying information. Or even send it to my department (box 351640, UW, 98195)...cliffCliff Mass Weather Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13948649423540350788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-37871185318954900052017-07-06T21:35:46.988-07:002017-07-06T21:35:46.988-07:00Totally agree.
In Singapore, fireworks were banne...Totally agree.<br /><br />In Singapore, fireworks were banned due to the litter caused and countless fires started.<br />The entire state of WA should ban fireworks.RonnieAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07425307622120685428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-27196715800291358312017-07-06T20:40:16.624-07:002017-07-06T20:40:16.624-07:00Stephen, your method for determining the seriousne...Stephen, your method for determining the seriousness of the number of injuries is flawed. You are showing the number of ER fireworks injuries in a three to five day period as a percent of all ER injuries in a year. Of course this makes the % small, but it isn't a useful comparison. On those three to five days, the % of injuries caused by fireworks is considerably higher. I know some folks enjoy setting off these explosions themselves, rather than leaving it to professionals, but many of those injured are children. Perhaps we can at least agree that it should be illegal to set off fireworks around children, who cannot give informed consent. Rebecca Timsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893945762947495364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-8529071899124760622017-07-06T20:23:48.248-07:002017-07-06T20:23:48.248-07:00I would love it if the 4th was no longer celebrate...I would love it if the 4th was no longer celebrated with explosives. But yes, please, at least restrict it to public displays managed by professionals.Rebecca Timsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893945762947495364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-8031731751452615852017-07-06T19:48:11.533-07:002017-07-06T19:48:11.533-07:00cliff,
I have a very personal story to tell as a ...cliff,<br /><br />I have a very personal story to tell as a veteran. Can you help with anonymity?<br /><br />sbironisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775872720664166542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-46475385258488658972017-07-06T17:20:49.717-07:002017-07-06T17:20:49.717-07:00Yes. Never agreed with you more!Yes. Never agreed with you more!Lucas Flandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06416847474915558548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-19953102186541328532017-07-06T16:09:43.886-07:002017-07-06T16:09:43.886-07:00Here are a few common, only sometimes-some places ...Here are a few common, only sometimes-some places illegal, obnoxious practices: personal fireworks; smoky yard, garden, & debris fires; loud, obnoxious after-market motorcyle exhaust pipes; loud diesel pickups with loud exhaust pipes; incessant shooting of high-powered handguns and rifles at all hours of the day and night . Some would say it is the cost of living in our society. I say it is because we have evolved a society with no norms of respect for one's neighbors only norms pertaining to self-absorption, self-indulgence, and flashing the middle finger. In my view, personal actions of almost any kind are none of my business unless the results of those actions extend beyond that person's property onto another's: intrusion of lound noise, noxious chemicals, bright lights, smoke, barking of dogs, errant dogs ... when they leave your property (or public land) and enter mine you are infringing on my rights to life, liberty, and happiness. So, we will just continue with increasing anger, frustration, violence, and those others will cling to their "bibles and guns" (Barack Obama) while being totally antisocial.Ashford98304https://www.blogger.com/profile/08326421476351547676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-43807906566671299752017-07-06T15:41:30.863-07:002017-07-06T15:41:30.863-07:00I TOTALLY AGREE. WE LIVE NW OF MARYSVILLE IN THE L...I TOTALLY AGREE. WE LIVE NW OF MARYSVILLE IN THE LAKE GOODWIN AREA. WE STAYED HOME WITH OUR CHIHUAHUA TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. WE FELT AS THOUGH WE WERE UNDER SIEGE FROM LATE MORNING TO APPROXIMATELY 2AM ON WEDNESDAY MORNING. NOTHING IS ILLEGAL OUT HERE (TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE) AND WE WERE TREATED TO QUARTER STICKS OF DYNAMITE THAT SHOOK THE HOUSE. THIS WAS NOT FUN FOR ANY OF US. WE'VE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. IT SEEMED WORSE THAN PREVIOUS YEARS. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'SAFE AND SANE' AND WHAT WE WERE SUBJECTED TO. eviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06664593745528912939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-84929677033768187602017-07-06T15:38:04.020-07:002017-07-06T15:38:04.020-07:00I was hoping to get away from that kind of madness...I was hoping to get away from that kind of madness, but it's no different here in Portland than it was in Chicago. The monster fireworks began Friday evening, and continues on to last night's festivities. I can see fireworks for a few hours on the 3rd, but to countenance this crap going on for over four days is insane, particularly in big cities with houses being so close together. Having been blasted out of my bed at 4 AM for days on end, it's the kind of thing that could lead to real violence. Some of us have to work on the weekends and there are still night shifts around, it's not right. Eric Blairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376653214948517679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-19595647840060734282017-07-06T15:24:09.436-07:002017-07-06T15:24:09.436-07:00I TOTALLY AGREE. WE LIVE NW OF MARYSVILLE IN THE L...I TOTALLY AGREE. WE LIVE NW OF MARYSVILLE IN THE LAKE GOODWIN AREA. WE STAYED HOME WITH OUR CHIHUAHUA TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. WE FELT AS THOUGH WE WERE UNDER SIEGE FROM LATE MORNING TO APPROXIMATELY 2AM ON WEDNESDAY MORNING. NOTHING IS ILLEGAL OUT HERE (TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE) AND WE WERE TREATED TO QUARTER STICKS OF DYNAMITE THAT SHOOK THE HOUSE. THIS WAS NOT FUN FOR ANY OF US. WE'VE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. IT SEEMED WORSE THAN PREVIOUS YEARS. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 'SAFE AND SANE' AND WHAT WE WERE SUBJECTED TO. eviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06664593745528912939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-37332078669319037042017-07-06T13:30:08.498-07:002017-07-06T13:30:08.498-07:00The City of Burien announced a tough policy this y...The City of Burien announced a tough policy this year with a fine of just over $100. Nothing changed. No one cares about a $100 fine. How about raising the fine to $2000 and or a week in jail?Elstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05638007460533897013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-30630749141796765852017-07-06T13:08:24.515-07:002017-07-06T13:08:24.515-07:00Perhaps they can do something about the toxicity o...Perhaps they can do something about the toxicity of the smoke. And people need to be responsible about cleaning up their waste afterwards, the lazy bums.<br /><br />But remember- we were here lighting off fireworks and watching the Blue Angels scream over our heads before all you Microsofties arrived. Seattle was never supposed to be a silent retirement spot just for introverts and their dogs. LkTappshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17462106777398752777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-87287330275523253632017-07-06T12:37:49.359-07:002017-07-06T12:37:49.359-07:00We should all be worried because fireworks are mad...We should all be worried because fireworks are made in China. Does it sound so far fetched that they would purposefully make them dangerous as a form of soft warfare against our country? And I am NOT a Trump supporter who believes in "America First" just in case that is where your thoughts are going.<br /><br />As for the Port Townsend person, I too in live PT, though not in town. We were subjected to Woodland Acres fireworks all through the night of the 4th and last night as well.MyBadCatshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14191288582457112702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7478606652950905956.post-36894653960554005052017-07-06T12:23:12.448-07:002017-07-06T12:23:12.448-07:00What a bunch of nannies! Fireworks are fun and it&...What a bunch of nannies! Fireworks are fun and it's a short holiday. My dog doesn't like it, but I keep him in the house and he gets over it the next day.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11317012076581399798noreply@blogger.com