May 19, 2011

No More Weather on KUOW Weekday

For over 15 years, I have talked about Northwest weather, the weekend forecast, and education-related topics on KUOW during Friday's morning's Weekday program.

I have done so as my attempt at educational outreach, to go beyond the basic forecasts given on other media, providing the why behind the weather and to allow local residents a chance to appreciate the grand complexity of the weather of this beautiful area of the world. And occasionally to talk about related educational issues.

Starting tomorrow, I will not have the opportunity to do so anymore on KUOW. On Monday I received an email from Weekday host Steve Scher informing me that the regular weather segments on Weekday will be discontinued.

Now if this was a simple issue of the weather program getting stale, of a need for a new format on Weekday, or of listeners wishing a change, I would not complain. I would have thanked Steve for the opportunity to talk about local weather all these years and moved on.

But that is not what happened.

And the real reasons for the termination of the my segment are more ominous and disturbing. And as I will explain, it has much in common with the recent termination of Principal Martin Floe by Seattle Schools Superintendent Susan Enfield.

My involvement with KUOW began in the mid 90s when I was contacted by them to replace the previous weather person, Art Rangno. I told them that I was not interested in just giving the forecast, but wanted to do scientific outreach, trying to follow (in a modest way) the footsteps of one of my mentors, Carl Sagan, who convinced me that scientists had to communicate directly with the public. I offered KUOW a hybrid: a weather forecast/weather 101 combination and that was accepted.

For over ten years I followed that route, first starting with Dave Beck, Marci Sillman, and Steve Scher and then later only Steve. Many of you seemed to enjoy the material and increasingly I heard from you over the phone and then emails (now several dozen a week). I also started talking about other topics. First, the need for a coastal radar--and the letters and efforts of many of you helped make that happen. But by the early 2000s I started talking about my concerns in education. I am just not a scientist, I am an educator as well--by now having instructed many thousands of students at all levels. I started seeing degradations in math skills and a few times a year I began talking about it and my concerns for the future of our nation.

Sometimes I talked about science education, such as issues with the Seattle Science Center (to their credit, after a discussion on air about it, Bryce Seidel, the director, invited me down to talk about my concerns. And I note that he was responsive in many ways to my concerns--such as the need to entrain more regional scientists in Science Center programs).

But things changed a few years ago. A new producer for Weekday was taken on--Katy Sewall--and on a program I remember well, I talked not only about the problem of declining math skills, but what I thought was the reason--the proliferation of discovery ("fuzzy") math books and the poor instruction by the Schools of Education, including the UW.

A short while later Katy contacted me, telling me I was no longer allowed to talk about math and that Steve concurred. I asked why--she said there were several complaints from the UW Education folks and that it was against "journalistic ethics" to allow me talk about such issues. This went back and forth for a while and I asked to see both Steve and Katy to talk it out.

Their argument--that as a "regular" I was essentially part of KUOW news and thus I could not give my opinion without someone else providing the other side. I noted that I am hardly part of the KUOW news team, clearly indicated my opinions were my own, and they let other "regulars" give their opinions on all sorts of societal issues.

Case in point: Rick Steves. He is the travel guy who is on KUOW all the time. On virtually every recent KUOW visit, he talked about his "passion"--the legalization of pot. They didn't seem to need the other side after he talked about that! So pushing pot legalization is ok, but pushing good math books is not. I just did not follow their logic. And why wasn't my talking about math issues a problem for the previous decade? What had suddenly changed? Were they just giving in to internal UW pressure from the UW Ed School? Was is the fact the UW College of Education was a major contributor to KUOW? I just did not know.

But they remained adamant--if I talked about education topics there was no place for me on KUOW. Remember that I had never talked about non-meteorological issues more than a few times a year at most and I AM a scientist-educator. I regretfully agreed to pull back on talking about math, with their promise there would be some dedicated programs on math. Those programs never materialized.

So we had somewhat of a truce for a year or so, until a few weeks ago.

The Seattle Times had a front page article about UW rejecting strong "straight A" students. And there was more talk about how the UW was rejecting great in-state students so that inferior out of state students could be accepted for big bucks. Joni Balter of the Seattle Times had a big op-ed piece in the paper a few days later saying many of the same things, and during the previous week this issue had been discussed during the second hour of Friday Weekday.

The problem was that I knew from first-hand knowledge that the ST article was highly deceptive and in many ways wrong. The UW does not reject strong straight A students--if someone with an A average gets rejected it is because there was an issue--easy classes, poor SATs scores, or the like. And the truth is that out of state students are generally stronger than in-state applicants. And do you know that the average UW freshman had a high school GPA of 3.75! That is pretty much an A. Grade inflation is a huge issue.

I know all this from first-hand knowledge as the undergraduate adviser for my department, with access to the admissions info, and having talked to the UW Dean of Admissions.

Anyway, because they ran out of time in the first segment, they moved me to right after the 10 AM news--during the "week in review" segment. After giving the weather I then mentioned a few of the facts noted above and had a discussion with Joni and the rest.

That conversation--trying to insure that KUOW listeners had accurate information about UW admissions--- sealed my doom on KUOW. Shortly later, I got a threatening note from Katy:

"Talking about other issues in this context is not acceptable. It does not fit the segment we are offering listeners. If it happens again, we will cancel your weekly appearance."

And her email went downhill from there. I told her that after such a provocative email I would wait a while before responding.

Last weekend I wrote an email to Steve, saying that I would try to work with them, but I could not guarantee that I would never talk about any other subject but the weather forecast. Remember--this is public radio.

A day later I got an email from Steve where he said that the regular weather segments would be terminated.

So that is the story. Not a pretty one.

For me the essence of local public radio is to serve as a focus for the discussion of local issues. You would think there would be room for a scientist-educator, someone interested in talking not only about science, but about the interface between science and how we educate our youth in technical subjects. You would think that Steve and Katy would consider their viewers who have enjoyed learning about local weather. But something else was more important--their wish that I remain "the weekend forecast guy". In fact, during the past year, the time they allowed for my segment has progressively decreased, so that I rarely had enough time to coherently complete even my local weather explanations.

So does my situation parallel the Enfield-Floe case? I got into trouble for criticizing the local education orthodoxy (at the UW)---it appears he did the same thing (with the Seattle School District bureaucracy). He was dropped with little apparent reason. I was dropped for reasons that I believe are without merit.

The question is what will happen now. If you have enjoyed what I have done in the past and wish it to continue, perhaps this can be turned around. Perhaps if enough of you---listeners to KUOW, contributors to KUOW, and those interested in public radio can contact the folks at KUOW they might change their mind...in the same way Superintendent Enfield changed her mind when the teachers and students at their school learned of the firing of their principal (some KUOW emails are found below)

My other option is to try other approaches: perhaps a podcast on my blog or moving to another radio station. Anyway, thanks for listening. Whatever happens, I have enjoyed the interactions with many of you over the years.

And I promise to get back to weather on my next blog!


Emails:

KUOW Weekday:

Steve Scher
sscher@kuow.org

Katy Sewall
katy@kuow.org

KUOW News Director:
Guy Nelson: gnelson@kuow.org

Chair of UW Board:
Allen Steinman: asteinman@badermartin.com

Wayne Roth, KUOW President and CEO
wroth@kuow.org


286 comments:

  1. Wow!...well, as a scientist I also had to 'toe the line' in a specific scenario at work. Not fun. Ruins the passion. Seems to happen to the best of us. I wish you well. But you may have to move on. You know, when one door closes, open another. (I cannot receive that station..maybe I should be glad...perhaps there is another...)

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  2. I agree with Abulseme, bring on the PodCast! I actually have an idea for you that just might help you increase your internet presence and your fan base would enjoy it a great deal. Contact me at real2net@gmail.com when you get a chance. There is still work to be done, the outlet for the result just need to change, and sometimes the window of opportunity come once a door has been shut. Hang in there, don't get discouraged, and be grateful you don't have to function under such narrow mindedness anymore :-)

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  3. I really felt what you had to say was so critically important especially after an hour segment was given to a woman who was promoting something about creative integrative schooling that did not include math, rather ridiculed it as an unnecessary unused skill. I really hope that if you don't find your way back to KUOW that we will still hear you speak out somewhere. I hope Weekday doesn't continues with such poor decision making.

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  4. Hi Cliff,

    I have never listened to KUOW, but I do follow your blog daily because it is so detailed, accurate and educational. I get all of my local weather news from your blog. I am sorry to hear of your current situation and I hope KUOW will reconsider.

    Good luck with your future endeavors.

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  5. I've sent a message, and got an apparently-canned response, purportedly from Steve. I'm undecided as yet whether I think it's sincere in its content. Either way, he's actually been angering me with some of his other choices lately, so... Here's another vote for the podcast.

    If you need any assistance getting that going, I'd be happy to volunteer, say, 10 hours of time to help you understand options and technical stuff (if you don't already understand it better than I do, which is certainly possible), and could perhaps be hired (probably at a fairly modest need-not-be-salaried wage) to help on an ongoing basis. My motivation for offering this: Freedom to talk about things like science education is something that's important to me, and I'd like to help more of it happen, in any of various forms. [Note: I'm pretty sure clicking on my name will get you to options for contacting me; if not, hopefully this makes sense: lindes at gmail dot com.]

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  6. Cliff, you above most people have now proven, Blogger/Facebook (hopefully soon Twitter) have killed the radio star.
    I'll always check in on this blog even after we move.
    Times for your own web/podcasts?

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  7. I was sorry to hear about this. KUOW made a mistake. I hope they feel it all the way to the bank.

    1) I am reader, listener and fan of Cliff Mass.
    2) I get a little weary of his talking about math education.
    3) On the other hand I find his passionate devotion to math education and education about weather part of what makes him an interesting and engaging character to hear.
    4) Dr. Mass does not have to be an expert in teaching math to comment on the RESULTS of that so called math education as shown by the evaluated performance of his students.
    5) KUOW obviously welcomed his cachet and character to promote their program. They knew they were not getting a milk toast weather person. As pointed out earlier, if they only wanted that, Steve could just read the NWS report aloud and be done with it.
    6) I doesnt matter to me if I care about or agree with Dr. Mass's views about non-weather subjects. I like listening to a variety of views from interesting, passionately expressive educated people. That is a major appeal of public radio. That is Dr. Mass and KUOW made a mistake.
    7) I hope KPLU has given you a call.

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  8. This was my comment to the kuow program director...not elegant, but my reaction
    I heard that you are discontinuing Cliff Mass' contributions to the airwaves. I have supported this radio station for years, and feel he is one of the really unique bright spots on the air....he is an independent thinker and doesn't just say what others say in the area of weather or otherwise...I'm afraid his termination feels like the dumbing down of radio...happened with AM, most FM, and now a public supported station...I guess if he goes, so does my support. Have you seen the PBS documentary Airplay? This feels a bit like that....

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  9. Whenever this old retired Eastern Washington acquaintance spent a long weekend with the grandkids in Seattle, your Friday morning weather discussion wss appointment radio. I sure do hope you land on another station and again become the bright spot in broadcast meteorology. I lieu of that, I would hope a podcast would be possible. Judging from all the comments here and on other boards, you certainly provided a valuable service!

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  10. I live in Vancouver BC but grew up in Bellevue and was an undergrad at UW. Cliff's blog is totally relevant to Vancouver too so I look at it everyday. I didn't know he did the Friday morning thing, if I did I probably would have listened to it via the internet. Today when I went to KUOW's web Cliff's past stuff was deleted. Everybody else is there. This reminds me of politics at UW, I know several profs there who had problems and left (I am a prof at UBC) and even my Dad was there in Physics before they kicked him out in the McCarthy era. So Cliff, this is your chance to move on, either to a different station like the one in Bellevue, or more nationally. I like your activism.

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  11. Well, I'm going to weigh in one more time.

    Most important, I think, is this matter of opinions and counter-opinions. What I've read about math education in Cliff's blog is factual: school boards are going with textbooks and standards that have not been tested; "evaluation" too often means merely that some professor of education has looked over materials, not that real teachers have tried them out on real students... whose performance has then been independently tested. If this isn't true, show us the evidence, but please don't demean these statements as "opinions".

    As I see it, Cliff's primary point, which he has made clearly, repeatedly, and eloquently, is that he is trying to teach material that can only be assimilated by those who have absorbed some basic math to college students who, usually through no fault of their own, have NOT absorbed much math. Again, this is not an opinion; it's an observation, from one in a superb position to make it. And it is directly relevant to a weekly weather radio segment. If the UW, which offers one of the very few respectable atmospheric science undergraduate programs in the nation, is having to address this problem, then where will our nation find its future forecasters and climate researchers?

    Now, having taught math in both the U. S. and the third world, in private and public universities, and at high school and college level, I want to sound off just a little about math education. A key point that everyone needs to keep in mind is that math education has to respect two very different communities of consumers. On the one hand, there are students who love abstraction, are fascinated by the concepts of axiom, theorem, and proof, and think that the greatest pleasure life offers is the discovery of a neat counterexample to a long-standing conjecture everyone believed, but couldn't prove, true.

    These students, if they're sufficiently imaginative, will become mathematicians.

    The remainder, easily 99.99 percent of the total, hope to find a vocation THEY love in science, engineering, or technology. They barely need to know what a proof is, but the amount of mathematics they need to be able to apply in the twenty-first century is staggering. Multivariate calculus to start with, but then linear algebra, ordinary and partial differential equations, nonlinear dynamics, random variables, probability distributions, statistical inference, stochastic processes, game theory. They may be able to get by without fluency in professional computer programming languages (C#), but they will have to be able to program solutions to their own problems--which means learning at least a couple of the high-level languages, such as Python, Matlab, S, or R. For field research in biology or earth science, mastery of GIS software will probably be needed (a really daunting challenge as anyone will confirm who's met it).

    A generation or two ago, social science or biology might have been a refuge for those who liked science but dreaded math, but no longer. Economics, psychology, biology (including medical research), geology, all have needs similar to what Cliff is telling us his meteorology students must meet.

    These basic skills in mathematics and programming are not an end in themselves for scientists or engineers, of course; there is still the usual prodigious amount of subject matter expertise to be acquired, along with experience with current laboratory and field techniques and instruments. That's why students can't wait until college to get the basics; if public K-12 education doesn't give them a strong start, they simply CAN'T catch up.

    Difficult a modern student's job may be, but not impossible. Google "[inter]national assessment of educational progress" to learn how American-educated students compare with those in other countries. Young people in foreign lands are succeeding; we need to insist that our young people at least have the opportunity to show that they can succeed, too.

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  12. Interesting -- As soon as I hit "send" for my email to KUOW, I immediately received a message from Steve Scher. It began, "With sadness I must announce that I have released Cliff Mass from his weekly weather and science segment on Weekday."

    It's clear that an automated response gets triggered when Cliff's name shows up as the subject. Makes me wonder whether they are even reading our messages.

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  13. If I boycott KUOW, then I have to agree not to listen to Rick Steves, or the Geo Quiz on "The World" or Car Talk and A Prairie Home Companion. All this for a 5 min segment that I could easily read here. This will pass in a few days.

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  14. Doesnt it all depend on what they hired you to do?
    Tom

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  15. Cliff,

    the facebook support page has over 700 members as of 8.15pm Friday and many many people have posted on Weekday's page, commented on the Seattle Times article and/or signed the change.org petition - how do you feel about the outpour of support for you, and have you heard from the Weekday staff?

    http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Put-Cliff-Mass-back-on-KUOW/149155005153152

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  16. Cliff, I will miss your segments. Your passion and wonder for weather in our part of the country is a gift to all of us. I would eagerly subscribe to a podcast of yours including opinions on educational matters.
    My letter to Mr. Scher was not particularly kind, less from the decision than the imperious tone of his announcement on their website. The language of 'released' and 'terminated' was cold and haughty when describing a relationship with a 15 year volunteer. It seemed unnecssary and contrasted greatly with the open email apparently sent to you. I did not appreciate it and told him so.
    The Friday weekly news roundtable has leading lights of opinion such as associate editors of The Stranger providing opinions far and wide which they have no expertise on. I am not sure how that squares with their ruling the you are a 'news' personality (did you ever have a page on KUOW, were listed as KUOW staff or even have a KUOW email?).
    KUOW's decision about balancing opinions seems bureaucratic at best but appears to simply be a creative pretext for caving into pressure.

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  17. Just sent this to the KUOW emails listed.


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    As a regular KUOW and Weekday listener and participant in the weather of the Pacific Northwest (both as a pedestrian and a pilot), I'm highly disappointed in the decision to cancel Cliff's weekly appearance.

    It's overkill to pull the plug on an educational and entertaining segment because of occasional comments regarding the UW & math education. In the context of the show, the comments certainly seemed appropriate coming from an educator. A more appropriate solution to the "problem" seems like it would be to allow a more structured framework for his commentary on the educational system, which would permit another academic to counterpoint his statements.

    I get the impression that this choice was made in an attempt to remain politically correct. KUOW's target audience is educated, intelligent, and deserves reporting and commentary from people who know what they are talking about. Depriving me and other listeners of thoughts on complex issues from those with intimate knowledge of the situation is editorial CYA of the weakest sort.

    I was planning to donate to KUOW this year, but I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and donate to APM instead.

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  18. Cliff,

    Illegitimati non Carborundum!

    My daughter and I have sent KUOW messages of protest to Management, Program Director and Weekday. I have posted a request on the Marrowstone Island Yahoo group for additional messages.

    My wife will send a protest to KUOW as soon as she calms down enough to write without profanity!

    Glenn Woodbury,
    Marrowstone Island

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  19. Cliff,

    Illegitimati Non Carborundum!

    My 11 year old daughter and I have sent our protests to KUOW Management, Program Director and Weekday. I have also posted a request on the Marrowstone Island Yahoo Group for others to send in their opinions.

    My wife intends to send in her protest as soon as she calms down enough to write without profanity.

    Glenn Woodbury
    Marrowstone Island

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  20. I'm very sorry this has happened. I'll send a protest to everyone responsible to let them know how narrow minded they are. I won't listen to KUOW again.

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  22. Cliff,

    I have 2 books of yours, and you have introduced me to the weather in the NW.

    But let's face it, you can't talk about math and math education because it goes against the beliefs, sentiment and guiding ideals of a maority of KUOW listeneres at the moment. Absolute equality must be enforced you know...regardless of actual knowledge, performance, understanding and achievement.

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  23. I just emailed everyone at KUOW. I always loved hearing you on Friday morning.

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  24. I have to say that Steve Scher's "weekday" is such a lame program anyway. His so-called interviews are truly pathetic. You can almost hear him trying to come up with something to say and it typically comes off as ignorant or uneducated.

    I used to tune in to hear the Friday forecast but can now avoid that program entirely.

    BTW, who is counterpoint to the Canadian they have on each week on Wednesdays. Doesn't that require so-called balance?

    Give me a break.

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  25. Bob Edwards, Juan Williams, Cliff Mass.... At least you are in good company. I have been very disappointed by the decisions of NPR lately, and now directly KUOW. I will miss your valiant efforts to bring science to the masses. And as a parent with young children in the public schools, I know that your criticism of math education is, sadly, spot on.

    I've always enjoyed your insights, whether it was on the radio, public speaking, or reading your blog. KUOW is losing an interesting science editorialist, as well as a great entertainer. So rare to have such a fascinating local personality.

    What idiots.

    I'll be looking forward to your podcasts. blogs, and other endeavors.

    Elisabeth

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  26. Bob Edwards, Juan Williams, Cliff Mass.... At least you are in good company. I have been very disappointed by the decisions of NPR lately, and now directly KUOW. I will miss your valiant efforts to bring science to the masses. And as a parent with young children in the public schools, I know that your criticism of math education is, sadly, spot on.

    I've always enjoyed your insights, whether it was on the radio, public speaking, or reading your blog. KUOW is losing an interesting science editorialist, as well as a great entertainer. So rare to have such a fascinating local personality.

    What idiots.

    I'll be looking forward to your podcasts. blogs, and other endeavors.

    Elisabeth

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  27. I have sent emails to KUOW asking to reinstate your segment on Fridays. I'm am very upset and disappointed by this.

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  28. Mr. Mass- you are always fascinating, informative and well spoken. Thank you for your contributions and I will pay attention to whatever you do in the future. I find this announcement amazing because I just decided last week that I can't listen to Steve Sher for another moment, I have turned KUOW for good. He is so ill prepared and random and unprofessional. And now YOU are axed? Really? Did you HEAR Steve Sher interview Richard Ford? I almost died of the tedium and embarrassment. He began the interview with a random comment about Microsoft and Skype- SAY WHAT? Richard Ford is such a gentleman, so polite in the face of such rude nonsense. I am sure he just wanted to give up on that "conversation" and walk out. Cliff- You might consider feeling proud of removing yourself from any relationship with that lame program. Good Luck.

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  29. I can see why they think you overreached your remit, Cliff, but I think they are wrong and sorely lacking in judgement in terminating you.

    We will not be renewing our membership with KUOW - even if they reinstate you. You & Vaughn Palmer were the two people worth listening to on Weekday. I have just written to tell them this, but my rant was too long to copy into here.

    I do think they don't get the math education issues. As I understand it, KUOW is run by a bunch of 50-something boomers who are probably no longer worrying about getting their kids a decent K-12 education. That's probably why Steve Scher fawns all over the uber self-promoter Nancy Pearl and why they are fine with Rick Steves campaiging for legalisation of marijuana on air (not that I disagree with it, but it's a double standard that that's OK when campaigning for decent math education is not).

    If I were you, Cliff, I'd move on elsewhere. They need you more than you need them at this point, I'd say.

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  30. You may be sure that KUOW will hear of my disappointment over your treatment.

    Elliott Brogren

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  31. Cliff,

    If it makes you feel better, I have boycotted KUOW since 1992 when it went from music to talk.

    Love your blog,

    Keith Worman

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  32. I sent in email to KUOW on your behalf. What a ridiculous decision. I will not be listening to Mr Scher's frequently lame show anymore and will not be renewing my station membership. Hope you find a new gig, til then we will continue to faithfully follow your blog and support your very thoughtful insights on everything from storm clouds to radar to yes, math.
    K Bedier

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  33. They messed with the wrong guy!

    As a citizen who also champions many causes based on a firm belief that each and everyone of us is the last defense on these issues. I am so thankful that another is out there fighting and standing up for what they believe in - even at the cost of such turmoil. Thank you Cliff and you are 100% correct in your actions. In addition to the weather, your discussions on critical societal issues are exactly what NPR was intended to serve. I hope they can figure that out based on the response from so many of us in the community.

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  34. I'm amazed by the people who comment that KUOW is correct to prevent any tangential comments in their shows. If people want a carefully scripted dog and pony show, they can listen to commercial radio. The KUOW mission statement touts:
    "guidance from the community"
    "relevance to the local community"
    "respect for the intelligence of our listeners"
    None of these values is supported by the squelching of Cliff's perspective on science and math education in Washington state.
    I used to listen (until today) to KUOW specifically to hear uncensored perspectives. After 15 years, Cliff Mass has built a reputation that greatly supercedes Steve Scher's and his opinions on science education are informed and greatly valued. If KUOW fears to deviate in any way from a narrow meteorology format then they render themselves irrelevant because .......there's an app for that.

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  35. I am Stunned! I have listened to Cliff for longer than I can remember and can not understand how this "Public" Radio "Elite" can deny us your incredibly valuable information. Even more, you did it from the goodness of your heart ... for us! Thank you for all you did and you keep doing.

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  36. I have always checked your weather predictions, find the science accessible and the weather ideas spot on. I usually check these every morning. Nonetheless, when you start talking about math, I turn off - mainly because it goes on too long. The post about KUOW is the same -- too much to the point of whining. You had a choice, you made it. It's not about journalistic freedom, it's about your passions - find a place to put all of them but, if you are hired to give the weather, then give the weather.

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  37. When I was a kid I wanted to be a weatherman. I never had a chance. I big part of the problem was my poor math education. My favorite book is Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" GO CLIFF!

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  38. UW science grad student here, and long time KUOW fan. I'm not going to stop listening and supporting my local NPR station, but I am going to write them a polite but strong letter.

    Dr Mass: I really enjoy your education outreach, it is inspirational.

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  39. Dick Cavett has a great piece on his trials over "balance". Thought it appropriate to share:

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/the-first-shall-be-last-or-anyway-second/

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  40. boycott KUOW too

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  41. Cliff,
    There are lots of things that people need to learn as part of their general education. Math is one of them but so is tact.
    You would have helped your math cause much more if you had displayed some tact with KUOW and other people you see as adversaries.
    You mention having to reject students due to a lack of math skills and now KUOW has had to reject you because of your lack of tact.
    I hope you are successful in working for better math education in Seattle but please try to learn something from this experience. Political skills are as important as strongly held beliefs.

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  42. So sorry to hear this news. My husband and I have made sure we were turned into your program every Friday morning. We live in the San Juans, and enjoyed your perspective on our distinct weather patterns. I will continue to follow your blog but I enjoyed hearing your voice and enthusiasm for the subject.

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  43. I am extremely disappointed that you will no longer be on KUOW on Fridays. Since moving to the Pacific Northwest, your weather forecast has been the most reliable source of information! And your Weather 101 has helped me figure out what is happening here and why. I've even bought your book to do further study. Kudos to you for speaking your mind. Shame on KUOW for no longer using you, for whatever reason. I will be sending emails expressing my disappointment. I'd be happy to subscribe to a podcast and more than willing to take some of the $$ I contribute to KUOW away and send it to support the podcast!

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  44. Thank you, Cliff for your public service. You have my full support.

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  45. Sorry to hear about your firing, Cliff. Here is a copy of an email I sent to Weekday. I received an automated email response with his public letter. If you start a podcast I will certainly subscribe!

    I have enjoyed listening to your show live when I lived in Seattle, and since moving to SoCal by podcast. It is one of the best shows on public or commercial radio anywhere - and I listen to a lot of them.

    I was surprised to hear you fired Cliff Mass. Of course I no longer have a direct interest in Puget Sound weather, except to extend my sympathy to friends still living there. Still, I have continued to enjoy Cliff's explanation of the complicated weather patterns. The term "convergence zone" always brings back fond memories.

    I had to go back and listen to his last podcast on April 22. I remember hearing it originally on April 23rd and not thinking anything unusual about his comments. Listening today, after reading all the drama backstory, I still did not find anything offensive about his comments - in fact, they added some insight into the UW admissions controversy. I'm left thinking, "What's the big deal?" Controversy makes for some of the best radio.

    I would like to conclude for now that it was pressure from the UW admin hierarchy leaning on you, Steve. I would rather not think it was an action based on your, or your producer's egos.

    A loyal listener

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  46. Call KPLU, as others have mentioned.

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  47. Thanks Professor Mass for all your support for math and sciences. I have written to all the adresses you gave asking for your return because I believe you offer a valuable service to our entire community. If KUOW does not listen to the many emails and public out rage and bring you back I do hope you will find another way to continue educating the public about both science and math.
    Dianna

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  48. A podcast would be just as good or better for your followers, but a huge loss to KUOW, and another reason to switch the station after the NPR programs end in the morning.

    Losing you on KUOW is just another reason to make KPLU my NPR affiliate of choice and give them my financial support. They've already got some of the best -- Art Thiel, Nancy Leson, BirdNote. You would be a great addition.

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  49. A podcast would be just as good or better for your followers, but a huge loss to KUOW, and another reason to switch the station after the NPR programs end in the morning.

    Losing you on KUOW is just another reason to make KPLU my NPR affiliate of choice and give them my financial support. They've already got some of the best -- Art Thiel, Nancy Leson, BirdNote. You would be a great addition.A podcast would be just as good or better for your followers, but a huge loss to KUOW, and another reason to switch the station after the NPR programs end in the morning.

    Losing you on KUOW is just another reason to make KPLU my NPR affiliate of choice and give them my financial support. They've already got some of the best -- Art Thiel, Nancy Leson, BirdNote. You would be a great addition.

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  50. Thanks Professor Mass for all you do for the sciences and math. I have written to all the KUOW adresses you listed asking for your return. I think it is against the very concept of public radio to silence you. I agree with R.A. Heinlein " Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house."

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  51. I am stunned! Simply unbelievable! I will definitely let Steve and Kati know how I feel, and look forward to weather (and other topics) on your blog or podcasts. I'm sure that you'll be able to make lemonade out of this big lemon, Clif. Best of luck!

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  52. 100% on your side on this one! No one can take your place on KUOW. The only upside is that now I won't have to be bummed if I have to turn off the car radio before your segment. Oh. Wait. I won't bother to turn it on to begin with.

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  53. I can't believe it! You're the highlight of my Friday morning.
    And something rings untrue: many the time I've heard Steve take you down the road of controversy, so why now and what's his problem?
    I've notified KUOW.

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  54. I have not been able to listen to Steve Scher or weekday for some years now as he is arguably one of the worst interviewers on the local news. His broadcast voice is also dead and passionless.

    Cliff, please proceed with your own podcast and be done with this lot. As Churchill said "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your live"

    Best of Luck in moving on from this mess.

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  55. KUOW made a bad decision to fire you, Cliff, but it is not surprising. They used to be a far more interesting station, but in recent years their programming has become so dumb-ed down that I actually get angry if I happen to catch a few moments of one of their programs. Steve Sher often sounds so careless, unprepared, and ill-educated that I wonder about the people who hired him! I let my membership lapse years ago.

    You should go to KPLU. It's a much better match for a person of your level of learning and commitment.

    Thanks for all your great work on behalf of better math and science education! I love your blog.

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  56. KUOW management and staff,

    I am a big fan and member of Kuow and have been for many years. I learned of Cliff Mass when I first heard him on Kuow. I look forward to hearing him on Kuow, read his blog and have read his book as well. I have never considered him part of your news staff and I have never confused his opinions with the news. I think you have made an error in judgment by taking him off the air. I strongly encourage you to figure out a way to schedule his segments so that they fit with your broadcast standards.
    Regards,

    Scott Wilson

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  57. Sorry to hear this Cliff. I looked forward to your weekend forecasts and your way of making science appeal to the masses.

    This is a great loss for us. Best of Luck -Bill

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  58. Um...it is Steve's show. If they asked you to be on to talk about weather..and you simply cant stay focused on the topic he had every right to bench you.

    That said, I enjoy your blog.

    thanks.

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  59. Definitely start your own podcast - broadcasting is not the same anyway. You are one of the most attractive elements of their broadcast - I will listen and probably even contribute financially to an independent podcast.

    Be well Cliff.

    Howard Rosenfeld
    Olympia, WA

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  60. What batchild said. Looking forward to seeing your PODCAST burn up the Interwebz. Made my discontent known to the individuals whose email addresses you called out in this post. Will be doing my best to bring an end to my family's KUOW donations until something is done to address this issue and restore some of your dignity in the process. Not that you need KUOW for that but they are in the wrong as far as I am concerned.

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  61. facebook support page is posting a petition for KUOW's board of directors - please check page tomorrow and sign petition!!

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Put-Cliff-Mass-back-on-KUOW/149155005153152

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  62. i'm so tired of the media's shallow commitment to balance over an honest approach to facts

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  63. Let me add my disappointment to the pile. I thoroughly enjoyed all aspects of your weekly broadcasts on NPR, and when I missed the live programme, I'd make a point of listening to the podcast.

    Please consider doing your own podcasts (or some sort of audio presentation) and posting them here on your blog. While I enjoy reading your blog posts, complete with illustrations, I especially enjoyed hearing you talk about the weather. Your enthusiasm was infectious and one of the things I liked most about your segments.

    Please continue!

    And shame on KUOW! Makes me not want to support them.

    -Chris King-

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  64. This is really too bad. I'll miss hearing you on weekday but will definitely be checking in on your blog until kuow either finds an appropriate spot for you or you find another station. Speaking of which, check out kbcs in bellevue -- real community radio!

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  65. Cliff:

    I'm a transplanted broadcast owner from the midwest and I've enjoyed your blog for some time. I am appalled that KUOW would censure you. Then again, as a commercial broadaster, I continue to find public radio stations to be far beyond what can rationaly be considereed fair. I personally enjoy your blog and hope it will continue.

    Bill Wertz
    Wertz Media
    Friday Harbor, WA

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  66. I sent a strongly worded response to Steve Scher, et al. Informing that I will not renew my KUOW membership nor listen to Weekday until this is resolved adequately.

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  67. Cliff Mass, you have my support! I will email everyone on your list to let them know. Thank you for standing up for all of us parents with kids! You are a true inspiration.

    (too bad we already took our kids out of public schools because of this!)

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  68. This is a sad tragedy, as your segment has always been my favorite... Insightful for weather and other issues which would not have been made aware to me were it not for your passion. I will continue to check your blog daily, but it will be a while 'till I have the stomach to switch on Weekday again...

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  69. (sent 5/21/2011 to KUOW)
    To all concerned,

    I was extremely disappointed to hear of the cancellation of Cliff Mass' extraordinarily informative and insightful Friday segments which I have been enjoying for nearly a decade. To me, and perhaps to many others, this loss represents the end of the only science-education based segment dedicated to our region's unique and fascinating weather, as well as the always interesting and thought-provoking discussions around Professor Mass' experiences as an educator in the sciences.

    My experience in the world has been made all the richer for Professor Mass' regular contributions, something which seemed in keeping with the idea of Public Radio, especially KUOW. I am truly sad to see that something like this may be a sounding-bell for the continued marginalization of science education, precisely at a time in which such education is crucial to the continuing relevance of this proud nation on the ever-more-quickly moving world stage.

    It is my sincere hope that your fine station will find a way in which to reinstate Professor Mass' regular contributions, so that those of us lucky enough to live in such a fascinating place as the Pacific Northwest may have our minds expanded and our expectations challenged.

    Thank you for your attention in this matter,

    G.W. Rogers
    Kenmore WA

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  70. Writing from Australia where I've just heard about your situation - the bottom line for me is that we all need more science: real science. There has been so much politicization of science, so much corruption going on in science, and it is not to the benefit of ordinary people. The managers of this radio station should be fired. Not you.

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  71. My letter of support sent to KUOW did not seem to get published for you to see. Since I am getting no response from the management at KUOW, I would at least like you to see it. (Although I am planning on sending it to the KUOW board and resending it to KUOW management on Monday when they will have to deal with business and can not so easily ignore my emails.)

    I have always valued Cliff Mass's views on math and science education as he is an educator who talks intelligently and knowledgeably about the subject. KUOW has a chance to have such discourse, and all you want from an atmospheric scientist and UW educator is a weather report? You could and should want and actively encourage so much more.

    I fault KUOW for not coming up with a better solution to this matter earlier. Telling Cliff Mass to limit his comments to those of a weather man was not a reasonable solution nor does it serve your listeners; integration of science discussion and the importance of good math and science education is a great way to illustrate the importance of good education to the future of good science.

    The stated reasons for this termination do not appear logically consistent; many regular speakers on KUOW start speaking on political tangents in which they have NO real expertise: Rick Steves speaks ad nauseum about legalization of cannabis, many journalists give there opinions on any and every subject whether they know anything about it or not, many politicians are regular guests without any political counterpoint. Also, if you truly wanted "to look at other ways to involve Cliff on Weekday that will allow him to share his expertise on other issues" then the appropriate and civil time to do that was BEFORE a sudden and public termination. Such a statement is hardly credible at this point.

    These, and other logical inconsistencies, are leaving a lot of your viewers believing that this was a political decision. Whether or not that perception is correct, this termination appears impulsive, illogical, and poorly-handled by KUOW and you have angered many listeners. It will not be good for listener relations if matters are left as they are and the responsible course of action is to seek a better way to deal with this situation; something that should have been done earlier.

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  72. Appalled and dismayed. Embarrassed for Mr. Scher. As to the few comments here about your having been "warned", I think part of the collective outrage is that you were being warned to not be an engaging, thoughtful and intelligent human being.

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  73. I just sent them an email. I received an automated response so they must be hearing from a number of people!

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  74. podcast please. Thanks for all your work, Cliff.

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  75. Note sent to all the listed emails. Good luck Cliff.

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  76. I'm sorry to hear this. We need a strong math education in our next generation to solve the problems before us.
    Your understanding here is a benefit to everybody.

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  77. Sorry, Cliff.

    I liked your segments on Fridays.

    Steve Scher, on the other hand, has to be the single worst interviewer polluting the airwaves. He is almost a parody of a shoddy public radio persona.

    Why KUOW gives him two hours a day, five days a week, is the real mystery to me.

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  78. Sorry, Cliff.

    I liked your segments on Fridays.

    Steve Scher, on the other hand, has to be the single worst interviewer polluting the airwaves. He is almost a parody of a shoddy public radio persona.

    Why KUOW gives him two hours a day, five days a week, is the real mystery to me.

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  79. I have a growing blog site called Altered Focus dot net. We'd be happy to figure out how to host a regular weather/op ed for you. Just a thought.

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  80. Cliff --
    Not only do I completely agree with the sentiment you expressed, I feel that expressing it and allowing its expression is KUOW's job. Thank you for doing this.
    Dmitry

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  81. I'm going to miss hearing your segment on KUOW. I'm not a fan of Weekday, mainly because Steve Scher is such a bumbling interviewer that it's often painful to listen to the show. Weekday just lost the only thing that kept me from changing the dial when I hear Steve's voice on Friday mornings.

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  82. Hello Cliff,
    I've been a long time listener and I really appreciated your insight and opinion on KUOW. I am very disappointed in Mr. Scher and wrote this e-mail letting him know my concerns.

    "Good morning Mr. Scher,
    I listen to your show every weekday and I’ve got to say that I’m very disappointed with your decision to terminate Cliff Mass.
    I not only disagree, but strongly disagree!

    At a time when NPR is coming under fire from the right for being so one sided this
    makes me reconsider that they might have something here. I mean 20 years and all of a sudden bye bye?

    Also, you have Joni Balter on the show every Friday who IMHO shouldn’t even be allowed to write a column let along give her opinion, but you allow her to go off on her tangents without some much as interruption.

    I hope you reconsider and bring back Cliff, but I doubt a person like Cliff would come back. A real shame, since he had some good opinions IMHO.

    Anyway, I think I’ll be switching to FM 90.3 from 9:00 – 11:00 for a while, since maybe you too are getting a little long in the tooth and kinda boring."

    Regards,
    Jim

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  83. There is an online petition for anyone to sign regarding this issue.

    http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/cliffmassonkuow

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  84. Hi Cliff,

    I'm so very sorry to hear this. What a dark day for public radio in America. Our whole family enjoyed your fascinating education on the weather and the stories behind it.
    Have you considered serving the KBCS listeners?
    They could certainly use your voice.

    Meanwhile, we will enjoy your blog and your podcast.

    Thanks,
    Heike

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  85. I'm very late to this conversation, but I had heard or read some of this story or hints of it, had a good idea of what happened, and I've lost some respect for KUOW because of it. I do still enjoy hearing you on KPLU these days. (When are you on there? Maybe you could add that info to your blog?)

    I very much enjoy learning about weather and climate change or whatever you talked about, and you have such a nice delivery. What passes for good radio these days is beyond me, and sometimes is not found on KUOW. I mean, they can you but keep Ross Reynolds on for how many years...? And forget about Terry Gross. I'm betting their donations reflect a less than stellar lineup.

    I hope you're doing well. ~mandy (not sure if my comments went thru, sorry for the duplication)

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