Monday, February 11, 2019

The End in Sight for the Lowlands as the Warm Front Approaches

The final act in our snow drama is about to unfold.

A surface warm front is now pushing on to Washington's southwest shore and the upward motion associated with it is producing a band of precipitation moving northward (see radar at 9 AM below).


With cold air holding on temporarily at the surface, snow is falling from Tacoma southward.

The snow should reach Seattle by 11 AM and move northward during the subsequent hours.

Puget Sound land should experience a few hours...and a few inches of snow... before warming aloft results in a transition to rain at elevations below roughly 500 ft by around dinner time.

This is a very difficult forecast.   In fact, one of my colleagues at the National Weather Service (Jay Albrecht, an excellent and experienced forecaster) called it the hardest forecast he has had to do in 32 years.  Snow forecasting is hard.  One with an active transition from snow to rain is very hard.

And we are dealing with the achilles heel of many of our forecast models:  they tend to mix out low-level cold air too quickly.  So as good as the models are now, forecasters like myself need to make some manual correction for this situation.

Keeping this model issue in mind, here is the predicted 24h snowfall ending 4 AM Tuesday. One is struck by the huge amounts in the mountains, particularly in the central and southern Cascades.  Substantial amounts over NW Washington (4-8 inches) since the cold air should hold in there longest.  And around a half inch to a few inches for central Puget Sound.


But considering the model tendency to mix the cold air too soon, I think the above totals are too conservative.  1-2 inches around Seattle would be reasonable.  Less near the water (where it is warmer).  But there is a lot of uncertainty in this forecast.

This afternoon we will transition to mixed rain/snow and then rain this evening.  Temperatures tomorrow will zoom up to near 40F.  And the great melt out will begin. 

This has been an extraordinary month, with Seattle experiencing the greatest February monthly snowfall on record (14.1 inches).  You can tell your grandchildren about it.

And our temperatures have been unusually cold the last week, with many days not even climbing to our normal minimum.
And as good as our few day forecasts have become, our extended forecasts have been...how do I say this tactfully.... rather poor.  This is something I am working on---but that should be in a future blog.








190 comments:

Unknown said...

Thank you Cliff!

hannah said...

Can you speak to road conditions when the snow gets rained on, and then the temperatures dip below freezing at night?

Unknown said...

Does this mean that we can expect school tomorrow?

GloriousArsenal said...

I see a streamer coming southerly across the Gulf of Alaska that looks to build in with existing stream, is that something that the model may have missed?

Unknown said...

I hate to be "that guy" who always asks in your comments, but what does this mean for the Seattle-Area commute on Tuesday? Thanks

Sean Mooney said...

Do you expect it to freeze Tuesday night in Seattle/lowlands (into early morning Wednesday) or are we inching back to our normal warmth?

Kevin Lynch said...

Thank you for all your efforts. Now, if I can only escape my driveway...

dnarich said...

Thanks for your always informative blog posts, and for doing a bit of teaching to the public at the same time as providing your insights to the forecast.

a progressive crank said...

But considering the model tendency to mix the cold air too soon, I think the above totals are too conservative. 1-2 inches around Seattle would be reasonable. Less near the water (where it is warmer). But there is a lot of uncertainty in this forecast.

Not sure the meaning of "conservative" here. You think Seattle will see more? I can't make out if you are correcting the model with the 1-2 inches or if you are adjusting the forecast.

Ben Green said...

Cliff one thing to note: this is a beauty of a situation for the Hood Canal area/ western Kitsap. If the model shows 4-8 inches as this morning’s GFS does, make it 5-10 or 6-12...cold air is always pushed out too early there. Southeasterly surface gradients.
Classic.

Xander S said...

Chances that Seattle schools will be closed tomorrow?

Xander S said...

What’s the chance seattle schools will be closed tomorrow?

mark said...

Love that graphic at the end... oopsies!

Bryan Massey said...

Should we be expecting a rapid warming rain on snow style event? Urban flooding and landslides?
I understand the temperature change is hard to forcast.

John said...

The UW WRF has underperformed greatly lately regarding snowfall forecasts around Spokane.Another 6-8" in the last 24 hours over here.Odd that it's predicting about 2" again for Spokane,while the local NWS office is calling for about 8",with possibly feet in the Idaho Panhandle if the next system stalls out.
By the way,the CPC always revises their monthly outlooks on the 31st,and did indexed correctly predict the cold wx for the Northwest.A rather abrupt reversal,albeit.

Sail on MIke said...

Thank you Professor Mass! You are the one I turn to when something interesting is happening in the weather. I think you have done an excellent job keeping us informed this last week as to what we can expect. Your models and explanations have been quite accurate for where I live on NE Whidbey Island.

Karent said...

Light snow falling here in West Seattle for about the past 30 minutes or so. Can't wait to get this over with!

Thanks so much, Cliff, for keeping us all informed throughout this drama. Don't know what I'd have done without this blog (and a few others). And please forgive the occasional crank who comes on here and complains you got the forecast wrong for their area. We're all a little frustrated and under stress.

I have your book, "The Weather of the Pacific Northwest," and am giving it a re-read. Science has always been one of my weakest subjects, but I find the weather in this part of the world fascinating.

Come on, warm front!

Ansel said...

I ended up so far with another 4.5 inches of rain Friday and Saturday and another ~4 inches last night. Total so far, 16 inches (Bothell-Mill creek line).

I tried cross-country skiing yesterday and went down to the Corral Pass Road. I was very surprised to see that there was only about 6" on the ground at 3000 feet. I ended up going up to Crystal, where the snowpack is better.

Susie Q said...

Wonderful news!!

jeff said...

I think the long range models under appreciate the effect of The Blob. Go back and look at data with an emphasis on blob intensity. It all goes back to The Blob.

Organic Farmer said...

Thanks Cliff.
Good work getting us through the weather events. You are discussed by name even in our highschool classrooms!

I look forward to an in depth look at the strengths and weaknesses of extended "predictions".

I realize they are just odds, but still frustrating when they are epically off!

MAC in Bellingham said...

Yes, that was a bit of a miss on January's 30-day warmer than normal forecast. I've also noticed that it has been colder here in Bellingham compared to Alaska's Seward Peninsula.

BronwynD said...

Ok help me out here. I read the AFD that said "toughest forecast in the 32 plus years..." but to me it looked like Felton signed it, not Albrecht. Is there some trick I need to know to correctly attribute the AFD sections?

:)

larchitech said...

It's been snowing in Olympia since 8AM and I'm going out to knock the snow off the tree branches because several inches have accumulated already.

Unknown said...

Great stuff. It seems long range forecasting is more difficult here in the pnw than other regions...what are the biggest local challenges?

BronwynD said...

Ok help me out here. I read the AFD that said "toughest forecast in the 32 plus years..." but to me it looked like Felton signed it, not Albrecht. Is there some trick I need to know to correctly attribute the AFD sections?

:)

Nathan Harrison said...

Can you talk about the newly named storm in your next blog. Really hoping for more snow. Wish this would last longer

Nathan Harrison said...

Isn’t another storm forming off the coast?

Steve said...

Thank you for the hard work and continuing updates!

Unknown said...

Thanks Cliff! I'll let you know how North Bend fairs through the night.

Sharon said...

Cliff, I have really enjoyed learning about your process and how the different factors work together to influence our weather.

Reading your blog over the years has increased my awareness of what is going on in the atmosphere locally and at times across the world. I was oblivious to most of it until your blog began my education. The more I learn, the more I appreciate the work you and others in your field provide. Of course, I increasingly realize how much I don't know.

Thank you for your diligent, clear communication. I like that you keep the facts simple and add commentary that a lay person can understand. Also, I enjoy your humor and that you effectively manage the reader's expectations. It all combines to keep people informed and able to apply the knowledge to their daily lives--especially safety.





Jonathan Doe said...

Woke up to about 4" of fresh powder in NW Bellingham this morning. Overnight temperature fell to 19F. Hoping for another 6"+!

jno62 said...

!0:53 am. Weather Station claims it's 34 degrees out. Ridgecrest area of Shoreline.

This could be ugly.

Pizano said...

Cle Elum Update, recieved 8 inches overnight, still snowing an breezy. Were getting hammered. The road guys are doing awesome though.

blank said...

I have two remaining questions....what are we looking at for flooding as all this snow melts rapidly with the oncoming rain? And what could be in store for us based on the massive storm just now leaving Hawaii? Please tell me it's not headed our way!

seussnelson said...

This past week has seemed even more unexpected given that this is (supposed to be) an El Nino winter. After a quite benign January I was expecting we'd be rolling right into spring with very little severe weather!

S/V Aurora said...

Cliff, do you have any ideas on whether there will be freezing tonight, and an icy commute Tuesday AM?

Thanks.

Just AboveNOAA said...

All in all very impressive forecasting as viewed from the peanut gallery - congratulations! Some of the timing of happenstances were particularly exacting.

As an unappreciative aside, could we throw an spent box of powerbars at the IT guy to get the local profiler page unstuck from 4-February? Thankee!

Mike Sandberg said...

thanks for the info. i love the details.

Unknown said...

Thank you for this. My main question is - should I shovel my Sumner sidewalks again (now about 3") or let the rain get it?

Bruce Kay said...

It is worth pointing out that that last graphic - the February temperature outlook - is a near spot on portrayal of the winter record of actuals and predictions up until 2 weeks ago, the only significant variation from that being the precise location of the relatively localized cold anomaly, now briefly located westward a considerable distance from the prediction.

In other words, while the past 2 weeks suggest a failure in prediction, the past few months demonstrate a comparatively greater Meso scale success and anyway, the slow ain't really over til the fat lady sings, a couple months ahead yet. Surely for a seasonal climate prediction on the scale given, so far the story is one of shining success, not failure.

Will Curran said...

Cannot wait to get the rain back. I love enjoying the snow in the mountains, but this city is just not prepared for it - both the lack of snow removal equipment and the mass hysteria (cleaning out grocery stores and #snowpocalypse after 1"). Bring on the rain!

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Doug said...

"the achilles heal of many of our forecast models: they tend to mix out low-level cold air to quickly" and the models always seem to break down large high pressure systems too quickly and predict precip to begin 12 to 24 hours before it often does. Not the problem with the current situation but it is refreshing to admit, that although the models have gotten really good, they still have Achilles' Heals (sic)

Unknown said...

Thanks for your daily (2x!) posts- we're hooked over here! Our kids are even starting to clue in as a friend of theirs has you as a prof-
My question is maybe out of your purview but will this snow event have any impact on drought conditions from Canada to California? If I understand correctly some of the smoke over Seattle has been due to drought situations in the forests? Will it melt too quickly from the rain to impact the forests? How is our water supply/snow level looking in the watersheds?

Shorty said...

Ok folks, he’s a meteorologist, not a Ouija board

Unknown said...

I’m betting the the cold air mass holds in Bellingham/Whatcom County at leastbutil tomorrow early afternoon. Right now, NOAA is predicting 5-8” and 30 MPH winds gusts out of Frazer Gap. Not the kind of condictions that would bring us rain - yet.

Colin Brinton said...

Right on the money. Thanks Cliff!

Down in Graham said...

Cliff, thank you for your incredible amount of time and effort on these updates and forecasts, at least for this household they are extremely insightful and valuable. We are east of Fort Lewis at about 650 feet elevation and the first blast Friday night got us about 10+ inches, another 3 last night (Sunday) and has been snowing steady for the past almost 3 hours (its 1230pm now on Monday. Given our elevation at the house, routinely where sea level areas/and I 5 corridor get rain, we get snow....so will see what happens for us the rest of the day.
Thank you again, your crystal ball work on this one (for us) - well..... you nailed it! Thank you!

John Marshall said...

We've got a classic rain (snow?) shadow forming over Sequim today. Hurray for the return of the Blue Hole, which had turned into a bottomless White Pit the last week or so. Might stay dry tonight as the SW weather goes around us. Hurray for that!

Snow is nice once in a while (a little of it, anyway), but now I remember why I don't like living in snow country.

Now if I can just get my tractor to start, maybe I can dig my way out of about 30" of this stuff.

MAC in Bellingham said...

Bruce Kay said...

"It is worth pointing out that that last graphic - the February temperature outlook - is a near spot on portrayal of the winter record of actuals and predictions up until 2 weeks ago, the only significant variation from that being the precise location of the relatively localized cold anomaly, now briefly located westward a considerable distance from the prediction.

In other words, while the past 2 weeks suggest a failure in prediction, the past few months demonstrate a comparatively greater Meso scale success and anyway, the slow ain't really over til the fat lady sings, a couple months ahead yet. Surely for a seasonal climate prediction on the scale given, so far the story is one of shining success, not failure."

Bruce-

Not quite sure I would quite describe it that way. The 30 day outlook was drastically revised by NOAA on January 31. The westward miss would be in the 1,000's of miles - a pretty big miss.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/30day/

The one thing both forecasts have in common is the unusually warm Alaska weather, but the cold arctic air is covering a much broader area than originally predicted.

Dan said...

Heavy snow now in Black Diamond/Lake

andrewgr said...

In Bryant/Wedgewood area. I'm shocked how much snow has fallen off the trees and just in general shown other signs of melting, while the stuff on the ground isn't quite warm enough to really melt yet.

I would be interested when the first person reports that they're seeing rain instead of snow today!

MTCutbow said...

5 inches in Montesano next to our office on the Chehalis river and still coming down hard!

Unknown said...

I have near calamitous amounts of snow here in West Olympia. Easy 14+++ inches on my roof. How much weight will it hold once it starts soaking up rain as well? Trees sagging everywhere with many branches broken in my yard. It is quite epic.

Rabbits' Guy said...

Quick 1 PM update from Bow - snowing! Again! Shoveled driveway for 3rd time - turns out "dusting" was about 1 1/2 inches. Prognosis here is for ... awful ... this PM and all night. More snow. I think the reporting rock has gone like those hummingbirds an Mike Sato's blog this morning. Boy a lot of us here have sure learned some great cocktail party terms and phrases during this fun - now if we ever are able to get to one!

Dee Aurora said...

In defense of those who stocked up on groceries: kudos to you! Mass hysteria, it is not. I followed Cliff's advice to prepare for Friday snow -- given on Wednesday I believe -- and am enjoying delicious, stress-free meals. And I scored a pair of hiking boots to supplement my usual tennis shoe wardrobe, so am able to get outside and comfortably enjoy the foot deep snow. To those who would say I was hysterical, or should "buck up," I say to you "eat snow!"

By the way, a 6 inch diameter fir tree limb just cracked off and crashed into the back yard of my Mill Creek home.

Bhoutros said...

At least 12 inches here in Bremerton, near Kitsap Lake. We just knocked some snow off the trees, and cleared snow off a flat roof top deck. It is still snowing very hard at 1:15 pm.

Unknown said...

LOL well you got the extended forecast for the eastern part of the country right! :)
Seriously, though, you have a hard job and you are dedicated! It is obvious you are passionate about what you do. Thank you very much for your service!

Unknown said...

No, Cliff - noooooooooo!!! More snow please!!!

Kevin said...

If your predictions hold, how much of the snow accumulation will melt tonight?

oureternalfamily said...

Started raining in Orting, Wa at about 1325

AuntieWinkie said...

Snowing again in Maple Leaf neighborhood (NE Seattle).

Unknown said...

Cliff,

Thank you for unpacking the complexities of weather forecasting in a very approachable way - you wonderfully model what a Scientist can do to educate the public about the complex world we live in and the magic that happens behind the scenes.

It exactly what Universities need to do more of!

Matt

Fresh Basil said...

Professor, I've been watching the doppler all day and sure enough, it looks like the snow will switch to rain in about an hour (I live near Olympia). So, great job with a tough forecast!

Now what am I supposed to do with all those bananas I bought?

Dooh said...

Cliff, would you comment on the use of AI in this type of forecasting? obviously it isnt there yet or perhaps it is being used and still has limitations? it would be cool to hear how AI is impacting your science with this specific example of lowland puget sound snow forecasting.

AMThompson said...

I’m moving everything up off the garage floor and piling the snow so it’s more mass to melt slower. And securing more firewood. This looks a lot like the 2007 winter snow-rain-snow storm sans wind (knock on wood) that had major highways flooded in Grays Harbor.

S. said...

It has been snowing hard for the last several hours here in the South Hill area. I've seen some things from local authorities and NOAA more recently indicating this may not be changing to rain until sometime tomorrow now? It doesn't seem Professor Mass answer questions here, but I wonder if anyone else is hearing about this as well.

I'm glad we were proactive and got groceries and gas before this all hit. And that we took the time to shovel the driveway this weekend...I can't imagine having to do it with all this added to it.

Richard said...

Still snowing like crazy in North Seattle. A winter wonderland!

M. Wallis said...

Sub freezing temps holding here in Anacortes. 30 F currently and snowing heavily.

Bruce Kay said...

Mac - you likely know better than me on that. Still, from the little i saw it looked like pretty good shooting from NOAA, Environment Canada and pretty well all the other outlooks.


Which leads to this: As Climate predictions, are not these one month outlooks the same as any other climate model in that the general trend is what is displayed with no offer of any extreme or transient anomaly for the time, space presented? I think its a bit much to expect any prediction other than a generalized trend, and the month isn't even half over. We should actually expect outlier extremes to be left out of the display. That is best predicted in shorter time scale and more regional forecasts.

Maybe that is a good blog topic - exactly what and why the differences are in climate / weather models, and exactly how they are scored differently for success and failure

Ghost said...

Been following the Weather Underground forecast for Tacoma all day which has been showing 30 more minutes of snow then turning to rain since 8am this morning. 6 hours of heavy snow later and the forecast remains the same. Just 30 more minutes!

Anonymous said...

Cliff, your updates (especially about this recent snow event) have made such a positive difference. Following your posts while on an unexpected trip to the Midwest, I was able to plan my return trip to Oly between the storm systems via Portland AmTrak after flying from Kansas to SLC then Portland. Many thanks for your dedication to weather forecasting and education.

Christopher Clark said...

30 degrees in downtown Port Angeles, snowing moderately (maybe heavily). Started snowing around 1:15. Was warmer before snow started again as I was shoveling and could feel the snow get heavier and the surface ice loosen up.

Zoemama said...

Snowing really heavy in Renton at 2pm. Down here at least, the decision to close schools again today was very very wise.

Christopher Clark said...

30 degrees in downtown Port Angeles, snowing moderately (maybe heavily). Started snowing around 1:15. Was warmer before snow started again as I was shoveling and could feel the snow get heavier and the surface ice loosen up.

JG said...

Snow still coming down here in north Tacoma (I live about 300 feet above sea level), and I am not seeing any rain yet. About four inches total since last night. Probably two-and-half since 11 today?

Josh Murfield said...

Snowing heavily now in downtown Seattle! My commute north to Lynnwood at about 3:30 might bea challenge!

E-Flyer said...

Getting clobbered on top of QA again. I'd say we've easily passed 18" cumulative.

Unknown said...

Big flakes still falling on Vashon, have picked up about 2 inches between 11am and 2:30 pm. Not much wind, maybe 3-4 mph.

Megan Black said...

Snow is just turning to rain in Olympia. 2:40 pm.

Unknown said...

Currently, in Gig Harobr, it is snowing like crazy, and has been all day. (it has also been 37 degrees all day) Our total for the last few days is around 20". Beautiful, but I'm over it!

Mike P. said...

Up to 7" for the day in West Oly and still falling steadily. Some spots in my yard with over 28" drifts. Running total since last week for West Oly (Goldcrest): 2/4 = 3", 2/8 = 10", 2/10 = 5", 2/11 = 7" and counting...not sure we were that ambitious heading into things, but it has been something to behold. It looks like a ski resort here right now!

Anon the Great said...

It's not getting any better in Olympia. 17 inches of snow in my protected back yard and no sign of it lettin up.

Karent said...

Grrr... been snowing here in West Seattle since 10 a.m. Big, fat flakes. I don't think it's ever going to change over.

Anon the Great said...

It's not getting any better in Olympia. 17 inches of snow in my protected back yard and no sign of it lettin up.

Paul Nickelson said...

With this amount of snow on the ground and rain moving in, the melt will certainly result in rising river levels. This snow is holding over 1" of precipitation and warm rain addition will speed the melt and add volume for some remarkably fast river rises, I'm guessing.

Paul Nickelson said...

With this amount of snow on the ground and rain moving in, the melt will certainly result in rising river levels. This snow is holding over 1" of precipitation and warm rain addition will speed the melt and add volume for some remarkably fast river rises, I'm guessing.

BAMCIS said...

Hood Canal region finally graduated to a Winter Storm Warning.

Stickerbush said...

Still snowing heavily on Vashon Island, I measured 4" accumulation today. Huge flakes, some as large as 2". If rain doesn't come soon and start washing this stuff away then branches and trees are going to start falling on power lines. Fingers crossed that there's no freezing rain!

Chet said...

At 3:25, still snowing heavily on Maury (Vashon) island. We're close to another 3-4 inches now, on top of the rough foot we already have accumulated. Ah, winter in the wacky Puget Sound. I love it, even if it's knocking hell out of my shrubs and trees (alas).

HeidiBWiley said...

Holy molly...no rain here on the Key Peninsula (Vaughn). It has been snowing steady since 8 am and we now have another foot + on top of the 11 inches we have gotten so far. Its a white out right now. Branches are breaking under the layered weight of the snow. The road into our community (Minterwood)has a pile up of cars that have spun out and cant get up the 100 yard gradual hill to our road. The entrance is blocked so no one can get in....4 X 4 or pogo stick.
SOOOOOO glad I got groceries...
Thank you Cliff!

jim said...

Absolutely dumping in sequim and Port Angeles right now. Harder than Fridays storm.

HeidiBWiley said...

Holy Molly - Key Peninsula has had steady snow since 8 am adding another 12++ inches to our 12++. Currently heavy heavy snow... our driveway to our community is blocked by multiple spinouts that were not a problem yesterday.
No rain here at all....

Unknown said...

It's been snowing quite hard here in Arlington for the past hour with no sign of letting up.

Murals said...

It's been dumping in White Center for the past 2 hours and doesn't look like it's letting up anytime soon. My phone weather app keeps pushing back the rain hour by hour...

fidele said...

Olympia's had another 8 inches today, and still coming down strong.

Murals said...

Steady snow in white center for the past 2 hours now, no signs of slowing.

OlyDad said...

In Olympia here, we started getting pretty solid snowfall at 9am today and it's still going strong at almost 4pm.

Tim Pitts said...

Still snowing heavy in Elma.No rain in sight...

Bud Miller said...

Snowing pretty hard in Holmes Point in NW Kirkland

Morgan Harrigan said...

4:00pm in Olympia and still snowing heavily. It's been snowing all day and we've easily gotten over 5" in the last 24 hours. No sign of letting up. Makes me wonder if the bigger snow event is unfolding?

Geometra said...

Temp dropped to 35 degrees at the Locks, two degrees down since 2:00 and heavy snow coming down.

HPCMonkey said...

Cliff, We will remember how well you called all of this, starting last Wednesday. Thanks to you we were totally prepared!

If you ever want to talk about possible collaboration on the AI model training side, that's my day job over at the factory in Redmond (training infrastructure). I'd be happy to see if there's anything we can do to help.

Geometra said...

Temp has dropped from 37 to 34 degrees at the Locks in the last two hours, and constant heavy snow. Been sticking for the last hour.

TJ said...

Snowing heavily here near Lake Stickney (Lynnwood).

Mark B said...

There's only been about 5 or 6 inches accumulation in Lower Queen Anne neighborhood of Seattle over the last two weeks. A far cry from snowmagedon, but still fun.

Jennifer said...

Well, this is the alternate scenario full on. I live in Lacey, it’s been snowing nonstop since 7 o’clock this morning, and we have an additional 6 inches for a total accumulation of 18 inches. The current radar on the weather channel app shows us raining, however, it is not raining. Fully snowing, albeit very wet, but continuing to quickly accumulate. The greenbelt hill behind my house has very happy sledders, snowboarders, and even a few skiers.

Sarah Jane said...

Still snowing in Issaquah and Weather Underground keeps delaying the warm up... nearly pushed into tomorrow at this point... I do have faith that this will end. Eventually!

Margaret said...

I think you missed the boat on today's post, Cliff. I'm in Meadowbrook and already had two inches by 4 pm. No end in sight.

Geometra said...

Temperature has dropped from 37 to 34 degrees in 2.5 hours at the Locks, and constant heavy snow

Geometra said...

Temperature has dropped from 37 to 34 at the Locks and constant heavy snow.

Unknown said...

Thank you very much for taking the time to do and post your forecasts. I have quickly learned the last week that you are the "go to" forecaster with your accuracy, THANK YOU!

Geometra said...

Constant heavy snow throughout the afternoon at the Locks, and temperature has dropped from 37 to 34.

larchitech said...

I live in Olympia and I shoveled the driveway this morning shortly after it started snowing, there's now 7.5 inches on the drive and it's still snowing.

Mandi said...

By the looks of this snow now at 4:30 PM how can it turn to rain? It's coming down in buckets and looks to no end in sight! It's going to be a flooding mess when this snow all melts! Crazy.

Riley Peper said...

Changed to rain and then back to snow in Kent.

Unknown said...

Still snowing hard in West Seattle. Nearly an inch an hour. Radar says we should be in winter mix soon.

Unknown said...

Temperatures have dropped to freezing from 36F this afternoon in Ravenna. You may be right about the models, Cliff. We'll see what the next few hours bring. Right now ~1.5" of heavy, wet snow.

Unknown said...

At 1640 hours, heavy snowfall in west Olympia. About 6" since it started late morning. Not as dry and fluffy as the original snow. I'm at 14" total, so far. Temp leveled off at 35 degrees and is now down to 34.7. If this turns to rain as Cliff projected earlier today, this will be a serious mess like we had back in 2007 (or 05?).

Lily's Mommy said...

It's 4:45 and has been snowing in NE Seattle heavily since about noon-ish. It appears no end in sight? Are we sure the temps will rise enough before sunset to switch to rain? And will it melt the many inches of snow before school/work tomorrow? It just keeps on keeping on. My window looks like a snow globe...

Unknown said...

All rain already downtown Seattle.

Angela said...

Just made a trip from north Kirkland to Canyon Park. Roads are bad. Coming down the loop from 527 to 405 southbound, my van fishtailed and I was lucky to get control back. People are traveling a sane 30-35 mostly. I got the heck off the road as soon as I could. What's falling now is piling up fast but what's melting underneath is treacherous as quicksand.

Sharon Steinbis said...

Snowing heavily in Sammamish.

Mike P. said...

Snow until 5pm in West Oly, accumulated over 10" since 9am. Freezing rain has begun.

Gpacharlie said...

26° and a blizzard in Snoqualmie right now at 5 pm.

David B. said...

As of 17:30 hours I've had 4.9" here on Bainbridge Island, and it's still coming down. I think it's safe to say at this point that the forecast of only a few inches of snow before the changeover to rain was a bust. But, forecasters warned that this was a difficult forecast (hence, higher than average chance of busting).

Estoy_Listo said...

Thanks, Cliff. This has been a great week. What weather! Best wishes to Jay Albrecht. I've been reading his summaries for years. It's nice to see his work acknowledged.

musicalmailman said...

Here in Central Kitsap, we have close to 2 feet of snow (as of 6:00 pm Monday) and the snow is still falling. Truly, "Snowmageddon"! Rain? What rain?

musicalmailman said...

At 6:00 pm Monday evening, we have close to 2 feet of the white stuff here in the Central Kitsap area and it continues to fall.

Sharon Clarke said...

Hey, I am wondering. Just saw some snow depth totals for WA on the west side, from the 19-teens and 1950 that were in the 30 inch range. This total we are getting is unusual, but not unheard of for this area. Are those early snow depths reliable, do you think? If so, what accounts for those big numbers? I understand why we are seeing this storm right now, the polar vortex is wobbling down here, basically. What caused those big storms in the past?

Unknown said...

[Monroe/Woods Creek, 6:05pm] Woke up this morning to more light snow, then it was quiet until about 2pm. Since then, it has been snowing HARD, and we've already gotten several more inches since last night. We measured a full foot of snow on the ground this morning, and as of when we put our ducks to bed (they basically hung out in their house all day), some of the snow was up to my wife's knees. At the rate it's going, and with it looking like it's going to stay as snow all night, I will not be surprised if we're up another 9-12 inches tomorrow morning. We're now worried about tree branches coming down and a couple of our smaller structures collapsing under all that snow.

You're certainly right that this is an event to remember. While I'm not going to have grandchildren to tell about it, we'll definitely remember it for the rest of our lives. Thanks again for keeping us informed of what's going on, Cliff.

Justin Almeida said...

I'm in NE Seattle at 15th Ave NE and Northgate. We just measured 12-15" of snow around our property. It's still coming down. Power has been flickering. Hmmm...

DannyJ said...

Well, 6:13pm and still waiting for that transition to rain here in West Seattle. Probably have another six inches in the last six hours.

I am curious as to why people ask the busy Mr. Mass questions in the comments, when he probably doesn't have the time to answer them and/or they're unanswerable in the first place...

Unknown said...

Wow here in Olympia it changed to rain around 430. Before that we got dumped on. We have perhaps 20 inches near the capital. The roads are awful at best. Subaru’s are getting stuck!

Jetmechanicdave said...

The warm/cold line has stalled.....All snow for the North until this peters out.

Jen said...

6:30pm and still snowing at our house in North Seattle.

14parent said...

Around noon I shoveled for the 3rd time my pedestrian walkway and driveway. Somehow there was more snow than I thought would be there. At 5 I reshoveled the same amount -at least 4 or 5 inches of snow. At 6:30 pm it is still snowing in central north seattle. Where is the rain?

ramblin' Ed said...

About 4"in kings gate since 1pm.... never saw the rain and still going!

Ron Talmage said...

Thanks Cliff. I'm in NE Seattle and there are a lot of power outages. One friend on Lake Washington just north of Matthews Beach. I'd be willing to bet it is due to power lines breaking because of accumulated wet snow on the lines with rain/sleet converting it all to ice.

Eric Hare said...

Overall a good job by the forecasters but more snow and colder than the models and the official forecasts suggested. Some of the unofficial reports of snow totals are staggering so far

Quit yer whinin'! said...

Holy crap! Must be the apocalypse if Subarus are getting stuck!

Unknown said...

17 inches in my yard in east Bellevue and still going. I'm worried about the roof now! Almost flat torchdown. :/

Jean Danek said...

Edmonds 5 Corners .... lots of wet snow coming down ..... at Pine Ridge Park tree limbs are snapping off from the weight of the heavy snow ...

Unknown said...

North of Poulsbo, snowing steady since 9:30 am, 7.5 inches, and still coming down. No shift to rain yet, but some melting at edges of snow on deck.

LJansen said...

Still snowing at Magnuson entrance. Worried about power lines since Mathews Beach has lost power.

Gpacharlie said...

730 pm in Snoqualmie Valley it’s 26° and still a blizzard. 8° colder than Tacoma. Radar shows a major snow shadow West to East with the cascades. Very interesting weather.

Rob Jellinghaus said...

Yep, it almost switched to rain here on North Rose Hill in Kirkland, but js now back to snow again. Well over a foot total accumulation on our back porch rail.

Unknown said...

Update at 1940 hours, west Olympia. Very light rain for almost three hours. Snow isn't melting - it's holding that water. Very heavy on the walkway I shoveled a little while ago. Watching a big snow-laden tree branch across the way draping over a taut power line. Could get worse before it gets better. Temp up a little to 36.

David Ozolin said...

20” here in Gig Harbor, 10”-12” since this morning. Snow just changed to rain in the last 45 minutes and it sound like rifle shots from all of the breaking limbs. I’ve never seen it snow as hard here as today, truly a memorable day. We lost several trees and bound to lose more tonight.

Anonymous said...

Snowing hard in Skagit County since 1pm.

BusyMommy said...

Still snowing in Monroe..at 830pm..lol

Unknown said...

14" in Saanich. Still snowing heavily.

Caraquena said...

Still snowing in Bothell

blah said...

17 inches so far in redmond on education hill. 30.7 degrees and holding steady.

Jeff G. said...

Still Snowing sideways in snohomish at 10pm.

Kevin said...

Approximately 8 inches on South Hill in Bellingham. Light snow most of the day but really coming down the last 3 hours. 27 degrees with light NE winds at 10 pm.

cloudman said...

Nice blogs, keep up the nice chats (blogs) great to read your points of view and insights on weather trends,etc.

lowenphast said...

Snow turned to rain around 8pm here in upper Fremont and its been lightly raining since. Todays accumulated snow on the sidewalk appears to be melting.

Unknown said...

Or not! 21" in backyard on Finn Hill and still snowing. Not on you, but I wish the NOAA would do more accurate "now casts" and updates.










Angela said...

Right now, 10:35, snow has given over to tiny frozen shards of ice (sleet?) in north Kirkland. It looks like rain falling, but the temp is supposedly 32F out there. I've heard a couple of big whumps on the roof - probably branches down, but I suppose it could be a dump of snow. I'm not going out to look.

Lori said...

I managed to drive my Subaru all the way home to Clearview from Greenwood this evening-no Subaru’s stuck up here!—and hit rain at Bothell at 6:32 pm. Home now for a while and though it was all dripping a while ago, the weather feels stalled out right now. No rain, no snow falling, just 15 inches of heavy snow on the ground, with the temperature sitting right at freezing. I hope the slush isn’t too deep when I wake up in the morning!

clive boulton said...

Snowplows three at a time in a formation like trumpeter swans clearing the state routes connecting with I-5 in Mount Vernon. This latest snow is very wet and heavy to clear from the drive way, a real widow maker (don't over do it).

Unknown said...

Neighbor in West Olympia measured the snow that has accumulated over the past few days and said it was 20", which means with compression that we had even more than that. The snow we had just before it switched to rain was ridiculous. Giant clumps of flakes that added inches in minutes.

Taylor said...

Hey cliff, not sure if the cold air is leaving as fast as thought or if the low moved farther south because here in the foothills of Woodinville, 550 feet in elevation, its currently 29 degrees and the total accumulating snowfall from this storm alone is approaching 13 inches as if now at 11pm. Thrre are currently near white out conditions and its snowing at 2 inches an hour. Should a blizzard watch have been in effect? And why is it still so cold? The nam shows all snow through tonight and tuesday.. this is concerning. Also the depth is 25 inches here in east Woodinville.

Scott8 said...

Models show that Hawaiian low pressure system eventually hitting Northern California and southern Oregon.

mister seawolf said...

Dreams really do come true, 10 in on the ground (maybe 14 in total for the 3 systems) in the middle of San Juan Island at 200 ft elevation. Sunny morning then starting about 11am snowed all day 12hr till 11pm. Overcast and calm now, the sledding and X country ski was amazing and looking like it will be tomorrow as well. Cheers to all the weather watchers and the teachers and students studying our earthly climate!

Jondroot said...

Still snowing in Lynnwood at 340am........

Ironworker1994 said...

Freezing rain here in maple valley. Poor trees are glazed over and you can here the branches snapping from inside the house.

Malicious Technology said...

24 inches maple valley side of Renton highlands. Still snowing here at 500 ft elevation

brad_tgl said...

We got hammered by the snow up here in Port Angeles (800') yesterday evening/last night. We received over 12" and are in the neighborhood of 40" total since Friday. It's going to be a mess in the coming days.

Joseph Ratliff said...

This whole event from Friday to now has clearly demonstrated one thing ... our power infrastructure is C-grade at best. Last night, PSE went from 2500 without power to over 70,000, again.

Seattle City Light and PUD aren't doing too much better.

This is snow, and these power grids need to go underground or be reinforced in some way (stronger connectors, something). Friday's storm put 200,000 without power (total - not just PSE). Now we're sitting over 100,000 easily. All in a manner of less than one week.

Unacceptable. It's 2019, and our power grids are mostly early 20th century at best. The recovery efforts are fine (B+ grade), but we shouldn't have to recover so much.

2-5 windstorms per Fall-Winter and with the exception of anomalous years, snow does fall in the lowlands. That warrants better infrastructure.

Julie/AC Farm said...

17 new inches of snow since noon on Tuesday with more coming down here in Maple Valley/Hobart. We still have power. Eagerly awaiting an update on your blog, thanks!

johnnyonwhidbey said...

So what happened to the 'Big Kahuna?'john on whidbey

Mike near Seattle said...

Snowed all night on Education Hill in Redmond, elevation about 280', 6-7 inches of fresh snow on the ground.

Heavyhemi said...

All I can say is thank gawd I spent 2 hours shoveling off my 350 square foot porch yesterday. I had a solid 18" of heavy wet snow. (yeah yeah getting old) Literally thousands of pounds. Shoveled it bare and still ended up with another 6" of slush after hours and hours last night of heavy snow/sleet at ~1200ft SSW of Chehalis.

Unknown said...

So does that mean that instead of snow staying it will mostly melt because I live up 700 feet obove sea level and it's raining right now and is Feb 12

jim woolson said...

My thermometer says it's 35ยบ but it's still snowing in Everett.

Rabbits' Guy said...

Bow Wa - 9 AM Tuesday. Reporting rock nowhere to be seen - just the string sticking up from about 12 " of snow. Snowing even now but warming up and will probably be messy. All schools closed and being asked to not drive unless need to.

RLL said...

I think the region and utilities have done well so far. We just experienced one of the greatest winter events ever. People and employers sensibly responded and shut down those things which could be shut down. People stayed home, cars stayed in the garages or driveways. Roads were available to emergency vehicles and essential services. Seattle for the first time ever not merely went to Snow Routes, but to Emergency Snow Routes. And it all was done to plan, not by last minute improvisation.

No doubt all levels of government and businesses to will do assessments of how emergency plans worked, and what could be done differently next time. I wonder how many automobiles, pickups,and buses will not have to be repaired because drivers everywhere did not drive, and passengers stayed home.

Citizens have a responsibility to be prepared for a few days to look after themselves without grocery stores and utilities. Government and utilities have the responsibility to restore roads and power as quickly as possible. One of the questions I have is how quickly were emergency services available to those needing help, and the same question about 'not quite' emergencies.

Scott Souchock said...

Thanks @Josepth Ratliff. I was wondering the same thing about power. Storms happen power goes out, but why isn't our system more resilient at the extremes such this weekends, and in particular, last night's weather events? I plan to write the appropriate authorities and cc as many people as I think can (mayor, city council, and so forth).

Thank you once again Cliff for the honesty in the forecasts, helping us understand the weather conditions, and the problems and challenges the weather industry faces. I also appreciate that you give us the alternate scenarios and probabilities.

Brianne Davis said...

Thank you, Cliff! Your work and willingness to share is so appreciated.

The Ghosts of Market Street said...

Still dumping snow in Fairwood. We had limited crossover to rain/sleet last night. Power was out from 1-8 am. Back on now. We probably had an additional 10 inches but its heavy and compressed down a bit.

Mark Allyn said...

Thank you Cliff! Great job in providing the big picture. Here in Bellingham, we got about 8 inches as far as I can tell. Here is a photo I shot of myself this morning in central Bellingham Welcome To Bellingham

Joseph Ratliff said...

Well, no problem @Scott :)

To be clear, I think the recovery efforts and restoration efforts did fairly well (hence the B+ grade). We just shouldn't have to recover so much.

I know several people on the east side of the U.S. who have been through MUCH worse, and don't lose power at this scale. So "historic winter storm" isn't an excuse.

We do have to be prepared for emergency conditions, I get that, and I am prepared (you could say to low-level survivalist standards). But I'm also going to critique the infrastructure when it could be better (and it can be MUCH better) ... so we can minimize emergencies we have to go through.

This is 2019, and we have a power grid from the early 20th century (with minor technological improvement at best). We still use unhealthy wood burning fireplaces for heat.

I realize making these improvements cost money AND can't be done "overnight." But "overnight" has been a few decades, and how long do we allow money to be an excuse?

Holding governments accountable for project cost overruns and misuse of tax funds may help to free up revenue - holding PSE accountable could help them re-prioritize profit towards infrastructure improvement.

I don't claim to have all the answers, not even close. But we have to start somewhere.

SalishT said...

We have mixed snow and rain here in Grapeview. Can’t see the ground yet but it’s melting!

What’s the forecast for today and this week. Hopefully rain!

Leslie

Unknown said...

I was really impressed with how good the DOT kept the roads passable in my area. My driveway and street in my subdivision are barely passable but the arterials are good and they are hills
Kudus to them

Mixed Messages said...

Mmmm, convergence zone/PNCZ tastes like sweet snowy goodness. It's an all you can eat/never ending snow buffet; free refills! Just a snowballs throw from the historic and happening Paine Field in Everett. Enjoy!

MAC in Bellingham said...

Joseph Ratliff said...

"This is snow, and these power grids need to go underground * * * ."

Putting utilities underground is not a magic solution. Without going into the details, I spent many years working for a business that installed underground utilities, so I have some firsthand knowledge of the subject.

Installing lines underground is very expensive, either on an initial basis or as an upgrade to existing service. In some areas, the capital outlay could double electricity rates. Underground utilities may avoid tree and wind interruptions, but they are still vulnerable to a variety of hazards and repair costs are much higher when there is a problem. Underground cables also have a finite life.

In some places, underground makes sense while in others, overhead is still the best solution. It is not economically attractive in many areas served by PSE to do an initial underground installation. In many of the dense urban areas, the conversion cost to underground would be astronomical due to the disruption of existing infrastructure resulting from the installation work.

A lot of the improvement in the grid comes from monitoring technology that enables a utility to quickly identify problem areas. Much of that has been ongoing for some time.

Dee Aurora said...

Count me with the group that is impressed at how well our region is handling this event. Perfection is not realistic. Yes, snow laden tree limbs dripped across uninsulated power lines equals tripped breakers. Streets with hills and curves are nasty when ice covered. But too much of modern infrastucture relies on ripping down the trees, blasting through hills, filling in the valleys. My fear is always that people will decide that our natural environment has to be totally sacrificed just to avoid interuptions to our modern conveniences.

Take a survey of the students who couldn't go to school and see how many are complaining! A forced interruption to our daily routines can be illuminating. And consider how few reports we are getting of major propery damage or serious injuries, plus the excellent weather forecasting and monitoring technology in place, and our ability to continue blogging with record snowfall!