Due to retirements and hiring suspensions, the number of launches of balloon-launched weather balloons (called radiosondes) has been reduced by about 10% in the U.S.
Specifically, of the 92 U.S. radiosonde locations, about ten have reduced launches either totally or partially.
Several media sources have suggested this reduction could seriously degrade U.S. weather prediction (see samples below).
But is this true? As discussed below, there are several reasons to expect that the impacts will be very small, not the least because balloon-launched weather observations now play a much, much smaller role in the modern observing network.
Why upper air data matters
The atmosphere is fully three-dimensional, and predicting the weather requires understanding the 3D distribution of temperature, wind, and humidity.
Such three-dimensional data is the starting point of the key technology of weather forecasting: numerical weather prediction (NWP), in which meteorologists simulate the evolution of the atmosphere by solving the equations describing atmospheric physics on the largest computers available.
Such forecasts start with a three-dimensional description of the atmosphere, called the initialization.
During the early years of NWP (1950-1970), radiosondes were the only source of weather information above the surface. Absolutely critical.
The number of radiosondes has declined modestly over the years, with the current global network shown below.
Lots over the U.S., Europe, and Southeast Asia. You will notice a major issue with the radiosonde distribution: there are few over the oceans and the polar regions, which encompass about 70% of the planet!
The current U.S. radiosonde network is displayed below, with red circles indicating radiosonde sites that are either suspended or only launched once per day. Keep in mind that at most sites, these observations are only made twice per day.
Is there any objective evidence that forecasts have declined with fewer U.S. radiosonde observations?
As far as I can tell, the answer is no.
I have gone through all the objective verification scores and could not find any degradation in National Weather Service forecast skill. For example, the 5-day precipitation scores over the U.S. in March 2025 are better than March 2024.
I could show you a dozen more like this.
But we have to be careful here. Perhaps 2025 was an easier year to forecast.
To do this right, we need to do OSSEs...observing system simulation experiments... in which we run identical periods we different amounts of radiosonde data.
However, there are powerful arguments about why the radiosondes are no longer as important to weather prediction, and particularly whether the temporary loss of a few of them would make much of a difference.
Today, three-dimensional satellite observations are dominant--in fact, approximately 99% of the weather data used today in numerical weather prediction is from satellites. For example, we can determine the winds by tracking features in the infrared part of the spectrum.
Or we can use satellites to measure how humidity varies with height.
Other satellites measure temperature and humidity with height by noting how GPS signals are bent by the Earth's atmosphere.
I have hardly warmed up. There are dozens of other examples of how satellites provide detailed, three-dimensional weather data over the entire planet...over most of which there are no radiosondes.
But there is more. Many aircraft take continuous observations in flight and provide vertical profiles of the atmosphere (called soundings) are they take off and land at airports (see below). Such soundings are very much like the radiosonde data, but are taken at more locations and at more times.
The bottom line of all this is that balloon-launched weather instruments (radiosondes) are now only a very, very small proportion of the atmospheric weather data used by meteorologists for weather prediction.
As a result, a loss of a few observations over a portion of one country probably has very little impact.
Thus, the headlines of gloom and doom are probably wrong.
Let me be clear....I think we should restore the U.S. radiosonde network and then complete careful experiments to determine how many of them are really needed for calibrating the satellite data and other uses. From what I have learned, restoration of the missing radiosondes will occur over the next few months, with the National Weather Service now hiring again.
according to Scientific American, there will no longer be data published on satellite microwave observations of hurricanes, which reports say will potentially affect prediction.
ReplyDeletethis SA article does specifically list weather balloons as one source of alternative data sets for hurricane prediction.
Scientific American is wrong. Their information is profoundly in error. Quite sad for a previously reliable magazine.
DeleteI saw that as well. Sorry to hear its not true. Not used to Scientific American making errors like this. Hope it doesn't become a trend.
DeleteThanks Cliff for your honesty as always. I just listened to your radio interview about Joe Rogan and Bernie Sanders on climate change. How can we spread the word about the hype and fear it brings people. I mean kids think about not having kids because our world is ending. It's sad really. If we can get actual science to the people perhaps the media and political will stop as the people won't have the appetite for it. Hard part is people are so political anymore, if I try to get them to follow you, they just think your a right winger MAGA, even when I say no not at all. They just stick to their sources as gospel.
ReplyDeleteFrom 2010, in the northern Argentinean city of Goya:
DeleteA seven-month-old girl has survived being shot in the chest for three days after her parents shot her, her brother and themselves in a global warming suicide pact.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/baby-survives-being-shot-in-suicide-pact/a8c53367-2d8e-4396-bc64-77e01147f7fa
Yikes! What a horriffic and needless tragedy! I can get behind the idea of the world being better off with a smaller population, but this is not the way to make that happen.
DeleteOne thing you are missing by using 5-day QPF to measure the impact is that you're looking at generalized models - not 'nowcast' data that is crucial (at least in other parts of the country.)
ReplyDeleteWhen snow flies, you want an accurate depiction of the current state of the atmosphere. There are ZERO jets flying into Gaylord Michigan that report back, and satellite soundings don't work when it's cloudy.
Rob..you are making a number of errors. Soundings are not very useful for nowcasting since they are only available twice a day..compared to continuous data from satellites, aircraft, and radar. Satellite soundings ARE available in cloudy atmospheres, for example RO satellites..cliff
DeleteOk i did something naughty last year Got me about 4 helium balloons and tied one of these freshly cracked glow-sticks from walmart and let them fly after dark. Ufo sightings went up locally
ReplyDeleteSure they did. You created a hazard to aircraft and the people travelling in them.
DeleteI’m not much of a consumer of news media that demonstrates a barely (if at all) concealed left wing/Democratic Party bias, so I was not aware of the level of coordinated messaging around and, thus, funding directed toward the construction and propagation of a narrative in support of this supposed problem. I did a quick search for “with fewer weather balloons forecasts may seem less accurate” and the results consisted almost exclusively of article after article in left-leaning publications issuing essentially identical warnings as the one shown in this post courtesy of the Seattle Times. Interestingly, such outlets have been pushing the idea of this impending calamity for months, at least, with results returned from my search as recent as just today and as long ago as late winter/early spring (one might note the proximity of those older articles to inauguration day). This was all on but the first page or two of search results - I didn’t have the patience, or frankly the stomach, to continue beyond that point.
ReplyDeleteCliff’s rebuttal in this post to those click-bait-y, fear-mongering propaganda is somewhat technical and it seems to be the case that an effective counterargument to such claims as he attempts to rebut would require the knowledge and expertise of a subject matter expert. I, a layperson, therefore can’t evaluate his explanation on its own terms, but the “Orange Man Bad” subtext of the claims against which he argues here give the impression that ideology, and not science, is the basis for the assertions that he proposes to debunk.
Thanks for trying to help the common folk to understand the truth of the matter in this case, Cliff!
The cutoff of key satellite data needed for hurricane forecasting has been delayed by one month, until July 31, according to a message from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on Monday.
ReplyDeleteEarlier this month, NOAA said it would discontinue the “ingest, processing and distribution” of data collected by three weather satellites that the agency jointly runs with the Defense Department.
These are very, very old redundant satellites. There will be little impact of them being turned off. This is all really nonsense.
DeleteGetting some smoke intrusion from Canada through the Fraser Gap in Whatcom County today. It's mostly remaining aloft but air quality has become somewhat degraded northeast of Bellingham closer to the source.
ReplyDeleteCliff, this may be somewhat tangential, but I'd love to hear your thoughts about moves by DOE, USDA, and HHS (including the NIH) to cancel subscriptions to Springer Nature journals. Some of the best science is published in Nature, and government scientists can no longer access it without their own subscriptions. Would you support such a decision by the University of Washington libraries? NOAA?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02080-1
I don't understand you question. Why would I want to cancel subscriptions? Do you propose to do so?
DeleteI am tired of gloom and doom headlines. Cliff's article on radiosondes has some reassurance though. Sadly, for NOAA the gloom and doom headlines are increasing. "The Hill," not a left wing rag, published an article today titled "Trump administration wants to axe all of NOAA’s climate research." They conveniently provided a link to their info source --NOAA's preliminary budget for fiscal 2026. Not everything in NOAA is getting the ax, and there are some increases proposed. https://www.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2025-06/NOAA%20FY26%20Congressional%20Justification.pdf
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